Theos-Talk Archives (June 2005 Message tt00124)

Hallo Anand and all,

My views are:

About the Leadbeater scandal - The following can be documented only if you 
read it.
This link contains some of the most vital papers and sources on the scandal.
http://theos-l.com/archives/199501/tl00097.html

And the following is quoting Leadbeater admitting his acts of intimate 
abuse.
http://blavatskyarchives.com/ton2.pdf (This link Possibly Requires the 
program Acrobat Reader)

THE LEADBEATER CASE.
http://kingsgarden.org/English/Organizations/LCC.GB/LCIS/Scriptures/Liberal/Leadbeater/Protest1909.html

Please Anand answer this question:
Is it not clear evidence from the above link, that Leadbeater because he 
allowed himself to reenter The Theosophical Society in the year 1908,
that he himself was quilty of deliberately creating a scandal, and a bad 
reputation around himself and the Theosophical Society?
Leadbeater was aware of the activity against him - how could he avoid it?

The fact, that Leadbeater 8 years later went to Australia and became a 
Bishop in the Liberal Catholic Church,
should tell us all something about, that this man was either consciously or 
unconsciously working to damage the Theosophical Society.

And Anand, I am sure someone at Theos-talk could mail you the originals if 
you can't get
hold on them.

Is the above not evidence enough?

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Below are some extra information taken from the Internet
just to show the readers, Anand included, that the Leadbeater scandal
is alive.

1.
THE CHARLES WEBSTER LEADBEATER AFFAIR, 1906-1908
AN INTRODUCTION by Alan Bain (c) 1996
PART ONE

"In 1906 a former Anglican Clergyman and member of the Society, later to 
become prominent in the Liberal Catholic Church, was called before a 
committee headed by the President-Founder of the day, Colonel H.S.Olcott, 
one of the co-founders of the Society together with Madame H.P.Blavatsky, 
W.Q.Judge and others.

The charge against him was twofold: firstly that he taught young boys to 
masturbate (then also called "self-abuse") on a regular, sometimes daily 
basis, as necessary to their development and to help avoid the temptations 
of the flesh in the future with women and "bad men." In today's world, such 
advice might not be regarded with as much horror, if any, as it was in late 
Victorian England, and there were those who, whilst embarrassed by such 
teaching, could see far enough ahead to understand that, in itself, such 
advice might not be necessarily a bad thing." ...
"The second and more serious charge was that he encouraged the practice by 
boys who had not yet reached an age where they would otherwise have thought 
of it for themselves, nor in whom a physical sexual attraction to girls, 
women, or "bad men" had begun to develop.

Even more serious was the charge that in the course of his "instruction," he 
handled the boys intimately himself.

Leadbeater denied none of the charges - he admitted them. The committee 
which sat to hear them had only, therefore, to decide which course of action 
would be best taken in the interest of the welfare and reputation of the 
Society. They could expel him, or in their wisdom, suggest to him that he 
resign. He willingly resigned his membership of the Society in the interest 
of the greater good, according to his own account, which was not disputed." 
...

"There were to be later scandals surrounding the name of Bishop Leadbeater, 
particularly in Australia, and some account of these is given in "The Elder 
Brother," a biography of Leadbeater by Gregory Tillet, published in 1982."
http://www.parascience.org/bain2.htm

We can just ask ourselves how these events occured in such a manner, as if 
there was no evidence against him.
Especially, when he himself admitted what he did.
Where was the spiritual NEED to create such a scandal ?
Is this scandal ignored today as harmless?
No. (Well with one exception. Perhaps it is ignored in the local phaedofile 
porn-shop).

2.
Sources of evidence.
http://theos-l.com/archives/199606/tl00639.html

In the above link, I think one will have to say that both Annie Besant and 
H. S. Olcott was wrong and Leadbeater was right
if one seeks to restore Leadbeaters name, reputation and any evidence 
against him.

I do not myself have the letters. But I am sure someone at Theos-talk knows 
where to find them and
even if necessary make them public.

Leadbeaters own words to annie Besant about the affair. (French)
http://kingsgarden.org/English/Organizations/LCC.GB/LCIS/Scriptures/Liberal/Leadbeater/CWLtoAB_06_06_30.html


3.
WHAT IS "THEOSOPHY", A PROCESS OR A RELIGION? COPYRIGHT: 1997 Alexis 
Dolgorukii
"Now, at the same time, there was a man named Vyvyan Deacon, who was a 
spiritualist medium and a descendent of Robert Browning the Poet. He was 
associated with CWL in the early days of CWL's psychic career, Deacon was 
also the head of the OTO in Australia when Leadbeater was in residence 
there, and had a "retreat house" outside of Sydney near where Leadbeater 
also had a summer residence. Vyvyan Deacon and James Wedgewood were the 
links joining Leadbeater with the history of sexual magic in the West. 
Deacon was a member of the T.S., the E.S., the order of the Star, and The 
Old Catholic Church (which became the LCC). He was, as I observed earlier, a 
leading member of the German O.T.O. and the Order of Saturn. "
http://www.parascience.org/whatis.htm


4. More documentation. on Leadbeaters acitvities.
http://www.parascience.org/besant.htm

5. Esoteric Section exposed.
http://www.parascience.org/hinducol.htm

6. Leadbeaters non-theosophical teachings
www.phx-ult-lodge.org/Neo%20or%20Theo.doc

If Leadbeater is innocent in all of the above I would like you to tell me 
how that can be true.



from
M. Sufilight


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anand Gholap" <AnandGholap@AnandGholap.org>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 9:47 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re:Only way to revive Theosophy in US is to focus on 
AB, CWL


> Morten,
> If not - the documented evidence forwarded today
> > will keep Leadbeater as an evidence on failure on the Path.
> > This seems at least to be a logical conclusion.
> It is extremely important for you to know and remember that no
> evidence against Leadbeater was found after thorough investigation.
> And if somebody spreads rumours about some innocent person, attacks
> his character unjustly, then I will consider it my duty to defend
> him and I have done so.
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> > The documentary evidence against him is just to strong.
> There was no evidence.
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> > And the Krishnamurti versus Leadbeater + Besant split
> > will never be healed unless - new - and clear teachings will
> > create the proper pieces so to make it all digestible
> > to an audience which today - increasingly - find old relics
> > (like Leadbeater and Besant) uneatable either to read or talk about.
> > One reason is the emotionally related cult they created around
> Krishnamurti.
> > This claim of mine I cannot document. But the youth today wants
> > new teachings - no doubt there.
> > It is of less importance if it is the same - theosophical -
> teaching, but
> > the author has to be new
> > and preferably alive.
> It is false fear that Krishnamurti reduced credibility of AB, CWL. On
> the contrary he proved that they were right in predicting he would be
> a great teacher. Krishnmurti is considered as very important gift to
> the world from Annie Besant and Leadbeater. Unfortunately some Adyar
> officers have this false fear and so they are removing world-teacher
> references. In my opinion they should not fear about that and keep
> those references.
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> You quoted Blavatsky's thoughts about Lucifer. Blavatsky's writing is
> so problematic that it should not be considered for any serious
> policy making.
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> with their policy on the Magazine Lucifer.
> > What is your policy Anand ?
> As I said earlier Blavatsky's writing is so problematic that it
> should not be considered for any serious policy making. Point Loma
> and ULT followed her policies. Outside California these organizations
> are rejected. I don't want Adyar TS to become local, rejected
> organization by following Blavatsky's policies.
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> Anand Gholap
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