Theos-Talk Archives (May 2005 Message tt00717)

I might reconsider my statement about the animosity against Adyar 
members. 

I know as much you know that there is a general prejudice of some 
persons towards members of the LCC. What was the point of Dr. Tillet 
mentioning that Pedro will be elected a Bishop of the LCC?

Dr. Tillet not happy went on, saying that Pedro is an employee of 
Adyar, but he did not mention that before an employee he was and is 
a theosophist dedicated to the cause, without any material 
possession and the gain of being employee of Adyar does not confer 
anyone any material status. On the contrary a series of sacrifices 
and losses. But of course Dr. Tillets posts were a try to depreciate 
Pedro's arguments using his status in the T.S. Adyar and the fact 
that he is connected to the LCC as factors that could undermine his 
ability to see things and to think. I think this is clear.

You mentioned that:
"As one who has no dog in this fight, and who likes Pedro very much, 
I still have to tell you that he started this particular line of 
attack and counterattack. Again, what you see is through some
organizational blinders."

Well below you may read the normal order of the events. 

gregory@...
Tue May 24, 2005 4:07 am
"A correspondent from Perth (Western Australia) advises me that 
Pedro is to be made a bishop of the Liberal Catholic Church later 
this year by the Church's Presiding Bishop, Ian Hooker." Dr Gregory 
Tillett
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/26748


prmoliveira" <prmoliveira@...> 
Date: Thu May 26, 2005 4:11 am

"Few of his readers perhaps know that Dr Tillet was a Clergy in Minor
Orders (Cleric) in the Australian Province of the LCC for several
years and contributed articles to its magazine ("Communion")." 
pedro

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/26793

Erica


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "kpauljohnson" 
<kpauljohnson@y...> wrote:
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Erica Letzerich 
<eletzerich@y...> 
> wrote:
> > Dear Krishtar,
> 
> > First of all I think that it is clear that there are a high 
level 
> of animosity expressed towards the members and dedicated fellows 
> connected to the T.S. Adyar. I do not see any members of the T.S. 
> Adyar within this forum trying to impose their ideas towards 
others; 
> on the contrary they defend their point of views with balance. 
> > 
> Dear Erica,
> 
> I think this is profoundly wrong on two counts. Count up all the 
> attacks on non-Adyar Theosophical organizations emanating from 
Daniel 
> and Anand, and then reconsider the above statement.
> 
> Secondly, consider that many of us with highly critical attitudes 
> toward the Adyar TS and some of its leaders past and present might 
> have very positive attitudes toward most of the members we have 
> known. (And some of the leaders, e.g. John Coats about whom nary 
a 
> bad word has ever been written here AFAIK.) I can certainly say 
that 
> for myself, and would suspect that several others here would agree.
> > 
> > 
> > Nobody is to be condemned to be a priest, to be an employee of 
the 
> T.S. Adyar or not. To use the personal choices of others, their 
> religious preferences or their support for an author or other to 
try 
> to depreciate their point of view and opinions it is not a fair 
game. 
> I really did not see the point of Dr. Tillet announcing here in 
this 
> forum that Pedro will be a future Bishop of the LCC. 
> > 
> As one who has no dog in this fight, and who likes Pedro very 
much, I 
> still have to tell you that he started this particular line of 
attack 
> and counterattack. Again, what you see is through some 
> organizational blinders.
> > 
> > 
> > What he is trying to prove with these posts that Pedro's 
opinions 
> have not value because he is a priest of the LCC? Better try other 
> arguments because these just express how small some people can act 
in 
> order to depreciate others.
> > 
> Please re-read that in light of the initial post about Tillett by 
> Pedro. And please don't think I wish to deprecate you; I think 
> you're generally one of the more fair and openminded participants 
> here. But you've made two black/white blaming/excusing judgments 
> here that are wrong -- WAY wrong-- on both counts.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > krishtar <krishtar_a@b...> wrote:
> > Hello Erica
> > 
> > It is a pity that much of what we have been acquainted, 
> familiarized to, in terms of information about many subjects in 
the 
> Theosophical background and history has been under the form of all 
> this animosity, isn#900;t it?
> > People tend to become very literate but sometimes I gess the 
lack 
> of compassion screams at a higher level in the same proportion.
> > Although I feel not comfortable to judge anyone#900;s bahaviour, 
I 
> cannot deny that people are again hurting and being hurt back in 
the 
> list.
> > 
> > Krishtar
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Erica Letzerich 
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 5:01 AM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Ecclesiastical associations?
> > 
> > 
> > Guys why do I have the impression you love each other so much... 
> > 
> > Love is in the air 
> > Oh oh oh 
> > Oh oh oh 
> > Love is in the air 
> > 
> > Erica
> > 
> > 
> > gregory@z... wrote:
> > Pedro's reference to a folly of my adolescence (i.e. membership 
for 
> a time of 
> > the Liberal Catholic Church)is hardly a revelation of any 
> significance. It is 
> > explicitly noted in my biography of Leadbeater: p.viii.
> > As for adding "ecclesiastical titles", what ecclesiastical title 
is 
> held by 
> > someone at the lowest level of the Minor Orders of the Liberal 
> catholic 
> > Church??
> > Should all who offer comments declare, in advance, any 
memberships 
> or 
> > affiliations? If so, why has Pedro not declared that he is a 
priest 
> of the 
> > LCC, and about to become a bishop? that he is an employee of the 
> (Adyar) 
> > Theosophical Society? It could be argued that these are relevant 
> > considerations in evaluating the arguments he is making (and, in 
> particular, 
> > his refusal to give clear responses to questions about 
Leadbeater).
> > Is he a member of the ES? the ER? of Co-Masonry? should we check 
> out his time 
> > working at Adyar? 
> > Perhaps we should we seek a complete curriculum vitae of 
everyone 
> posting on 
> > the site?
> > Does anyone care? I certainly don't. My assessment of arguments 
is 
> based on 
> > the arguments themselves, not on the present or past 
associations 
> of the 
> > person expressing the opinion. But "shooting the messenger" is 
an 
> old 
> > political tactic. The gullible are often impressed.
> > 
> > Dr Gregory Tillett
> > 
> > 
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