Theos-Talk Archives (May 2005 Message tt00715)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Erica Letzerich <eletzerich@y...> 
wrote:
> Dear Krishtar,

> First of all I think that it is clear that there are a high level 
of animosity expressed towards the members and dedicated fellows 
connected to the T.S. Adyar. I do not see any members of the T.S. 
Adyar within this forum trying to impose their ideas towards others; 
on the contrary they defend their point of views with balance. 
> 
Dear Erica,

I think this is profoundly wrong on two counts. Count up all the 
attacks on non-Adyar Theosophical organizations emanating from Daniel 
and Anand, and then reconsider the above statement.

Secondly, consider that many of us with highly critical attitudes 
toward the Adyar TS and some of its leaders past and present might 
have very positive attitudes toward most of the members we have 
known. (And some of the leaders, e.g. John Coats about whom nary a 
bad word has ever been written here AFAIK.) I can certainly say that 
for myself, and would suspect that several others here would agree.
> 
> 
> Nobody is to be condemned to be a priest, to be an employee of the 
T.S. Adyar or not. To use the personal choices of others, their 
religious preferences or their support for an author or other to try 
to depreciate their point of view and opinions it is not a fair game. 
I really did not see the point of Dr. Tillet announcing here in this 
forum that Pedro will be a future Bishop of the LCC. 
> 
As one who has no dog in this fight, and who likes Pedro very much, I 
still have to tell you that he started this particular line of attack 
and counterattack. Again, what you see is through some 
organizational blinders.
> 
> 
> What he is trying to prove with these posts that Pedro's opinions 
have not value because he is a priest of the LCC? Better try other 
arguments because these just express how small some people can act in 
order to depreciate others.
> 
Please re-read that in light of the initial post about Tillett by 
Pedro. And please don't think I wish to deprecate you; I think 
you're generally one of the more fair and openminded participants 
here. But you've made two black/white blaming/excusing judgments 
here that are wrong -- WAY wrong-- on both counts.

Cheers,

Paul


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> krishtar <krishtar_a@b...> wrote:
> Hello Erica
> 
> It is a pity that much of what we have been acquainted, 
familiarized to, in terms of information about many subjects in the 
Theosophical background and history has been under the form of all 
this animosity, isn#900;t it?
> People tend to become very literate but sometimes I gess the lack 
of compassion screams at a higher level in the same proportion.
> Although I feel not comfortable to judge anyone#900;s bahaviour, I 
cannot deny that people are again hurting and being hurt back in the 
list.
> 
> Krishtar
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Erica Letzerich 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 5:01 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Ecclesiastical associations?
> 
> 
> Guys why do I have the impression you love each other so much... 
> 
> Love is in the air 
> Oh oh oh 
> Oh oh oh 
> Love is in the air 
> 
> Erica
> 
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> gregory@z... wrote:
> Pedro's reference to a folly of my adolescence (i.e. membership for 
a time of 
> the Liberal Catholic Church)is hardly a revelation of any 
significance. It is 
> explicitly noted in my biography of Leadbeater: p.viii.
> As for adding "ecclesiastical titles", what ecclesiastical title is 
held by 
> someone at the lowest level of the Minor Orders of the Liberal 
catholic 
> Church??
> Should all who offer comments declare, in advance, any memberships 
or 
> affiliations? If so, why has Pedro not declared that he is a priest 
of the 
> LCC, and about to become a bishop? that he is an employee of the 
(Adyar) 
> Theosophical Society? It could be argued that these are relevant 
> considerations in evaluating the arguments he is making (and, in 
particular, 
> his refusal to give clear responses to questions about Leadbeater).
> Is he a member of the ES? the ER? of Co-Masonry? should we check 
out his time 
> working at Adyar? 
> Perhaps we should we seek a complete curriculum vitae of everyone 
posting on 
> the site?
> Does anyone care? I certainly don't. My assessment of arguments is 
based on 
> the arguments themselves, not on the present or past associations 
of the 
> person expressing the opinion. But "shooting the messenger" is an 
old 
> political tactic. The gullible are often impressed.
> 
> Dr Gregory Tillett
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