Theos-Talk Archives (May 2005 Message tt00429)

Friend Dallas, 
Donīt bother about my silly comment. I am aware of your present situationand I also add that it is praiseworthy your efforts and always welcome politeness towards all of us.
Have a good day.

Krishtar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: W.Dallas TenBroeck 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 8:22 PM
Subject: RE: Theos-World Re: Wild & Fanciful Speculation, Mistakes & Erroneous Notions about Theosophy


May 15

Dear friend Krishtar:

I am so short of time and energy -- I apologize but use this as an attempt
to conserve.

I do value your friendship and comments a great deal. 

Dallas
   

-----Original Message-----
From: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of krishtar
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 3:42 PM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Wild & Fanciful Speculation, Mistakes &
Erroneous Notions about Theosophy

Hi friend Dallas

Donīt be offended but it seems so impersonal to call people by their first
letters...
Is this K me, Krishtar?
If it is, accept my thanks for the excerpts.

Krishtar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: W.Dallas TenBroeck 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 8:42 PM
Subject: RE: Theos-World Re: Wild & Fanciful Speculation, Mistakes &
Erroneous Notions about Theosophy


May 14 2005

Dear K, D C, and C S :

Please allow me to break in and comment: 


May I say that I have noticed that THEOSOPHY teaches:


1 The spiritual unity of all beings makes a single Universe and all
Nature -- in effect it is DEITY. We are a part of IT and IT is a part of
us.  

These two aspects of SPIRIT and MATERIAL FORMS are no doubt at polar
opposites, seemingly, yet, they are forever united.  

The third aspect of the Universe is MIND -- it is mid-way between SPIRIT
and
FORMS of matter, and is able therefore, to balance and observe in them
their
many kinds of interactions. The mind evolves plans of action and
development, and these, to be fair to all, have to be "lawful." [ We can
demonstrate this to ourselves by choosing any example, and carrying out
its
sequence of interaction mentally to a satisfactory joint conclusion that
unites and does away with annoying, shocking or adverse "differences."]

Both the spiritual Unit and the material Unit are immortal entities (says
THEOSOPHY ) and in universal symbology they are represented by the
marriage
of SPIRIT and MATTER. Of these two are born a "son": the MIND -- and
this
is able by observation and reflection to develop wisdom -- or a knowledge
of
LAW and LAWS. 

We may say of Spirit that it is the "Ideal." Of Matter, we may say it
provides all the vast diversity of forms in which "Spirit" lives and acts.
Mind, the 3rd aspect of the Universe, provides the laws of cooperation and
interaction, so that the many diverse forms can co-exist. [ Anyone who
has
studied a little of mathematics, chemistry, physics, engineering, biology,
music, poetry or astronomy will recognize that these living areas and
sciences could not have any value if they did not detect and define the
LAWS
already established there by Nature / the Universe / or, DEITY -- of which
we are a part. ] 

Possibly, the reason we so readily accept the idea of "chaos" is we do not
fully see the many links we are part of in time and space -- of how
"causes"
(or our and others' choices) lead to "exact results" and effects that work
for or against us. The difference between "good" and "bad," while sensed,
is
not clear. To connect the two is often impossible for us. 

I find THEOSOPHY, as a philosophy and a science, clears this up by
declaring
that any choice or action that does not take others (and their well being)
into account is selfish and usually "bad." For this reason it declares
that
our motives and reactions to situations ought to be impersonal and
impartial, thus we cease from being personally "selfish," and do "good." 

2 The Universe supports the whole of living Nature by accurate and
responsive laws. These provide for on-going cooperation and living, and
are
equal for all (because we are immortals -- this is a UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD
!) as an ideal concept.  

There is no "chaos" in that. Science, in its investigations, finds LAW
and
LAWS everywhere. The Universe, and we, cannot live without them. It
declares that the basic "atoms" are eternally in motion and alive --
hence,
to them, the forever interacting of "life-atoms" (monads) is intelligent,
essential to on-going life, and meaningful.

3 The purpose of the Universe and Nature (says THEOSOPHY) is to
gradually educate all its intelligent components -- to understand these
concepts and practise them. We as humans -- as mind beings -- are in the
middle of this process. 

This may seem extraordinary, because it is so vast and all-inclusive. But
when we consider that every such component (monad) is co-existent with all
the rest, and each is as indestructible and as ancient as the whole; we
are
dealing not only with ourselves (as Monads that have reached the mental
stage of evolution) but with all the rest of those intelligent monads that
compose the mineral, vegetable, animal, human and super-human divisionsof
nature. 

Many who are interested in THEOSOPHY may have not yet read through The KEY
TO THEOSOPHY and noted how this unified philosophy explains this, and
every
other aspect of living. Hence, the concept of chaos prevails -- even when
observation and logic show that cannot be true.  

How could any of us live for an instant if "chaos" truly prevailed? Since
we are alive and remember our past, there is at least a law of continuity.
And where does that come from? What can we do with a knowledge of it? 

Such a consideration leads to the teachings of:

1 Soul immortality,

2 reincarnation,

3 perfectibility of all Monads and humans,

4 there are Wise And Sagacious Men who remain with mankind as their
Teachers, for all there is 

5 a goal that some have designated: The SUPREME PERFECTION of WISDOM. 

6 These ideas and facts lead to an understanding of Karma -- the Law
of moral compensation, 

7 and the suggestion that we carefully and always examine our motives
before putting our decisions into action.  

No one in their right mind would invite for themselves future suffering
and
pain -- so why give those any basis for existence by making selfish
choices?


Best wishes, 

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: christinalee 
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 7:50 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: Wild & Fanciful Speculation, Mistakes & Erroneous Notions
about
Theosophy



Hi Krishtar, 


Here you put the good POINT on the I.

Krishtar:.
> At the end we raise another point: What are we here for in this so 
chaotic world if not to realise the divine from which all derives 
from?

> The rest is just delusion, pal.




     
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