Theos-Talk Archives (April 2005 Message tt01043)

Dallas and Perry,

The quote is to be found in LUCIFER, April 15th, 1888,
pp. 155-156. In the "Correspondence" section there is
a letter to the Editors and the quote constitutes the
Editors' Reply. 

Daniel


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Perry Coles" <perrycoles@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Hello Dallas,
> I am sorry I don't have the title of the article, all I have is 
the 
> reference as collected writings vol.IX, 163 p.
> I actually got the quote from one of Geoffrey Farthing's books
> but its also at :
> http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/deathml.htm
> along with some other good quotes.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Perry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "W.Dallas TenBroeck" 
> <dalval14@e...> wrote:
> > Dear Perry:
> > 
> > May I have the title of the ARTICLE -- from which you say HPB 
> wrote -- 
> > 
> > "Our correspondent seems to have been misled as to the state of 
> > consciousness which entities experience in Kama-loka. He seems 
to 
> > have formed his conceptions on the visions of living psychics 
and 
> > the revelations of living mediums. But all conclusions drawn 
from 
> > such data are vitiated by the fact, that a living organism 
> > intervenes between the observer and the Kama-loka state per se. 
> > There can be no conscious meeting in Kama-loka, hence no grief. 
> > There is no astral disintegration pari passu with the separation 
of 
> > the shell from the spirit.
> > 
> > According to the Eastern teaching the state of the deceased in 
Kama-
> > loka is not what we, living men, would recognize as "conscious". 
It 
> > is rather that of a person stunned and dazed by a violent blow, 
who 
> > has momentarily "lost his senses". Hence in Kama-loka there is 
as a 
> > rule (apart from vicarious life and consciousness awakened 
through 
> > contact with mediums) no recognition of friends or relatives.
> > 
> > We meet those we loved only in Devachan, that subjective world 
of 
> > perfect bliss, the state which succeeds the Kama-loka, after the 
> > separation of the principles. In Devachan all our personal, 
> > unfulfilled spiritual desires and aspirations will be realized; 
for 
> > we shall not be living in the hard world of matter but in those 
> > subjective realms wherein a desire finds its instant 
realization; 
> > because man himself is there a god and a creator.
> > 
> > In dealing with the dicta of psychics and mediums, it must 
always 
> be 
> > remembered that they translate, automatically and unconsciously, 
> > their experiences on any plane of consciousness, into the 
language 
> > and experience of our normal physical plane. And this confusion 
can 
> > only be avoided by the special study-training of occultism, 
which 
> > teaches how to trace and guide the passage of impressions from 
one 
> > plane to another and fix them on the memory.
> > 
> > Kama-loka may be compared to the dressing-room of an actor, in 
> which 
> > he divests himself of the costume of the last part he played 
before 
> > rebecoming himself properly - the immortal Ego of the Pilgrim 
> > cycling in his Round of Incarnations. The Eternal Ego being 
> stripped 
> > in Kama-loka of its lower terrestrial principles, with their 
> > passions and desires, it enters into the state of Devachan. And 
> > therefore it is said that only the purely spiritual, the non-
> > material emotions, affections and aspirations accompany the Ego 
> into 
> > that state of Bliss. But the process of stripping off the lower, 
> the 
> > fourth and part of the fifth, principles is an unconscious one 
in 
> > all normal human beings. It is only in very exceptional cases 
that 
> > there is a slight return to consciousness in Kama-loka: and this 
is 
> > the case of very materialistic unspiritual personalities, who, 
> > devoid of the conditions requisite, cannot enter the state of 
> > absolute Rest and Bliss." 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > WHAT IS THE TITLE ? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Blavatsky: COLLECTED WORKS IX, 163
> > 
> > 
> > Dallas
> > 
> > =====================================
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:theos-
> talk@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of Perry Coles
> > Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 11:03 PM
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Theos-World Re: NDE while Brain dead
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi All
> > Here's a quote I found from HPB on after death states :
> > 
> > "