Theos-Talk Archives (April 2005 Message tt01039)

Hello Dallas,
I am sorry I don't have the title of the article, all I have is the 
reference as collected writings vol.IX, 163 p.
I actually got the quote from one of Geoffrey Farthing's books
but its also at :
http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/deathml.htm
along with some other good quotes.

Regards

Perry




--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "W.Dallas TenBroeck" 
<dalval14@e...> wrote:
> Dear Perry:
> 
> May I have the title of the ARTICLE -- from which you say HPB 
wrote -- 
> 
> "Our correspondent seems to have been misled as to the state of 
> consciousness which entities experience in Kama-loka. He seems to 
> have formed his conceptions on the visions of living psychics and 
> the revelations of living mediums. But all conclusions drawn from 
> such data are vitiated by the fact, that a living organism 
> intervenes between the observer and the Kama-loka state per se. 
> There can be no conscious meeting in Kama-loka, hence no grief. 
> There is no astral disintegration pari passu with the separation of 
> the shell from the spirit.
> 
> According to the Eastern teaching the state of the deceased in Kama-
> loka is not what we, living men, would recognize as "conscious". It 
> is rather that of a person stunned and dazed by a violent blow, who 
> has momentarily "lost his senses". Hence in Kama-loka there is as a 
> rule (apart from vicarious life and consciousness awakened through 
> contact with mediums) no recognition of friends or relatives.
> 
> We meet those we loved only in Devachan, that subjective world of 
> perfect bliss, the state which succeeds the Kama-loka, after the 
> separation of the principles. In Devachan all our personal, 
> unfulfilled spiritual desires and aspirations will be realized; for 
> we shall not be living in the hard world of matter but in those 
> subjective realms wherein a desire finds its instant realization; 
> because man himself is there a god and a creator.
> 
> In dealing with the dicta of psychics and mediums, it must always 
be 
> remembered that they translate, automatically and unconsciously, 
> their experiences on any plane of consciousness, into the language 
> and experience of our normal physical plane. And this confusion can 
> only be avoided by the special study-training of occultism, which 
> teaches how to trace and guide the passage of impressions from one 
> plane to another and fix them on the memory.
> 
> Kama-loka may be compared to the dressing-room of an actor, in 
which 
> he divests himself of the costume of the last part he played before 
> rebecoming himself properly - the immortal Ego of the Pilgrim 
> cycling in his Round of Incarnations. The Eternal Ego being 
stripped 
> in Kama-loka of its lower terrestrial principles, with their 
> passions and desires, it enters into the state of Devachan. And 
> therefore it is said that only the purely spiritual, the non-
> material emotions, affections and aspirations accompany the Ego 
into 
> that state of Bliss. But the process of stripping off the lower, 
the 
> fourth and part of the fifth, principles is an unconscious one in 
> all normal human beings. It is only in very exceptional cases that 
> there is a slight return to consciousness in Kama-loka: and this is 
> the case of very materialistic unspiritual personalities, who, 
> devoid of the conditions requisite, cannot enter the state of 
> absolute Rest and Bliss." 
> 
> 
> 
> WHAT IS THE TITLE ? 
> 
> 
> 
> Blavatsky: COLLECTED WORKS IX, 163
> 
> 
> Dallas
> 
> =====================================
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:theos-
talk@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Perry Coles
> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 11:03 PM
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Theos-World Re: NDE while Brain dead
> 
> 
> 
> Hi All
> Here's a quote I found from HPB on after death states :
> 
> "