Theos-Talk Archives (April 2005 Message tt01020)

I agree, nothing is written in stone, and everything should be taken
with a grain of salt.

-Mark H.

On 4/17/05, Perry Coles <perrycoles@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello niki,
> Thanks for sharing your interesting experiences.
> HPB's comments are only offered as one rationale to consider and
> certainly are not meant to stop us from considering all the different
> possibilities of what may be happening in the after death state.
> It is suggested that experiences in the subtle realms can be
> exceeding deceptive to the untrained eye, this more me rings very
> true on many different levels.
> 
> A theosophical mindset is one that continually questions and tries to
> look at things from as many different perspectives as possible always
> challenging and not taking things on face value.
> 
> Perry
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Niki Durand <nikidurand@y...>
> wrote:
> > Hi Perry-
> >
> > That's not what my recently deceased mate/wife (we had
> > a Lesbian thing) told me. She said that if I live my
> > present life to the standard that we did together, she
> > would be the first person to greet me on the other
> > side.
> >
> > She also detailed her first "days" there. She said she
> > was given "wings" to fly anywhere she wanted to go,
> > and was on a vacation of sorts. And then the next week
> > she told me she was in a sort of "school" where she
> > was being acclimated to her multiple selves, and
> > galactic society.
> >
> > My understanding was that the death process was the
> > cleansing part, that is that from the moment of death
> > to when she was aware of herself the cleansing already
> > happened. Part of her schooling was to assimilate her
> > totality, and in the course of that the lessons of
> > this last life would reveal itself...
> >
> > She's got a lot of sass on the other side, just like I
> > remember before she was hit by a car and her life/body
> > fell apart...
> >
> > Love,
> >
> > niki
> >
> >
> > --- Perry Coles <perrycoles@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi All
> > > Here's a quote I found from HPB on after death
> > > states :
> > >
> > > "Our correspondent seems to have been misled as to
> > > the state of
> > > consciousness which entities experience in
> > > Kama-loka. He seems to
> > > have formed his conceptions on the visions of living
> > > psychics and
> > > the revelations of living mediums. But all
> > > conclusions drawn from
> > > such data are vitiated by the fact, that a living
> > > organism
> > > intervenes between the observer and the Kama-loka
> > > state per se.
> > > There can be no conscious meeting in Kama-loka,
> > > hence no grief.
> > > There is no astral disintegration pari passu with
> > > the separation of
> > > the shell from the spirit.
> > >
> > > According to the Eastern teaching the state of the
> > > deceased in Kama-
> > > loka is not what we, living men, would recognize as
> > > "conscious". It
> > > is rather that of a person stunned and dazed by a
> > > violent blow, who
> > > has momentarily "lost his senses". Hence in
> > > Kama-loka there is as a
> > > rule (apart from vicarious life and consciousness
> > > awakened through
> > > contact with mediums) no recognition of friends or
> > > relatives.
> > >
> > > We meet those we loved only in Devachan, that
> > > subjective world of
> > > perfect bliss, the state which succeeds the
> > > Kama-loka, after the
> > > separation of the principles. In Devachan all our
> > > personal,
> > > unfulfilled spiritual desires and aspirations will
> > > be realized; for
> > > we shall not be living in the hard world of matter
> > > but in those
> > > subjective realms wherein a desire finds its instant
> > > realization;
> > > because man himself is there a god and a creator.
> > >
> > > In dealing with the dicta of psychics and mediums,
> > > it must always be
> > > remembered that they translate, automatically and
> > > unconsciously,
> > > their experiences on any plane of consciousness,
> > > into the language
> > > and experience of our normal physical plane. And
> > > this confusion can
> > > only be avoided by the special study-training of
> > > occultism, which
> > > teaches how to trace and guide the passage of
> > > impressions from one
> > > plane to another and fix them on the memory.
> > >
> > > Kama-loka may be compared to the dressing-room of an
> > > actor, in which
> > > he divests himself of the costume of the last part
> > > he played before
> > > rebecoming himself properly - the immortal Ego of
> > > the Pilgrim
> > > cycling in his Round of Incarnations. The Eternal
> > > Ego being stripped
> > > in Kama-loka of its lower terrestrial principles,
> > > with their
> > > passions and desires, it enters into the state of
> > > Devachan. And
> > > therefore it is said that only the purely spiritual,
> > > the non-
> > > material emotions, affections and aspirations
> > > accompany the Ego into
> > > that state of Bliss. But the process of stripping
> > > off the lower, the
> > > fourth and part of the fifth, principles is an
> > > unconscious one in
> > > all normal human beings. It is only in very
> > > exceptional cases that
> > > there is a slight return to consciousness in
> > > Kama-loka: and this is
> > > the case of very materialistic unspiritual
> > > personalities, who,
> > > devoid of the conditions requisite, cannot enter the
> > > state of
> > > absolute Rest and Bliss." CW IX, 163
> > >
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Mark Hamilton Jr.
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