Theos-Talk Archives (April 2005 Message tt01009)

Hello niki,
Thanks for sharing your interesting experiences.
HPB's comments are only offered as one rationale to consider and 
certainly are not meant to stop us from considering all the different 
possibilities of what may be happening in the after death state.
It is suggested that experiences in the subtle realms can be 
exceeding deceptive to the untrained eye, this more me rings very 
true on many different levels.

A theosophical mindset is one that continually questions and tries to 
look at things from as many different perspectives as possible always 
challenging and not taking things on face value.

Perry


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Niki Durand <nikidurand@y...> 
wrote:
> Hi Perry-
> 
> That's not what my recently deceased mate/wife (we had
> a Lesbian thing) told me. She said that if I live my
> present life to the standard that we did together, she
> would be the first person to greet me on the other
> side.
> 
> She also detailed her first "days" there. She said she
> was given "wings" to fly anywhere she wanted to go,
> and was on a vacation of sorts. And then the next week
> she told me she was in a sort of "school" where she
> was being acclimated to her multiple selves, and
> galactic society.
> 
> My understanding was that the death process was the
> cleansing part, that is that from the moment of death
> to when she was aware of herself the cleansing already
> happened. Part of her schooling was to assimilate her
> totality, and in the course of that the lessons of
> this last life would reveal itself...
> 
> She's got a lot of sass on the other side, just like I
> remember before she was hit by a car and her life/body
> fell apart...
> 
> Love, 
> 
> niki
> 
> 
> --- Perry Coles <perrycoles@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Hi All
> > Here's a quote I found from HPB on after death
> > states :
> > 
> > "Our correspondent seems to have been misled as to
> > the state of 
> > consciousness which entities experience in
> > Kama-loka. He seems to 
> > have formed his conceptions on the visions of living
> > psychics and 
> > the revelations of living mediums. But all
> > conclusions drawn from 
> > such data are vitiated by the fact, that a living
> > organism 
> > intervenes between the observer and the Kama-loka
> > state per se. 
> > There can be no conscious meeting in Kama-loka,
> > hence no grief. 
> > There is no astral disintegration pari passu with
> > the separation of 
> > the shell from the spirit.
> > 
> > According to the Eastern teaching the state of the
> > deceased in Kama-
> > loka is not what we, living men, would recognize as
> > "conscious". It 
> > is rather that of a person stunned and dazed by a
> > violent blow, who 
> > has momentarily "lost his senses". Hence in
> > Kama-loka there is as a 
> > rule (apart from vicarious life and consciousness
> > awakened through 
> > contact with mediums) no recognition of friends or
> > relatives.
> > 
> > We meet those we loved only in Devachan, that
> > subjective world of 
> > perfect bliss, the state which succeeds the
> > Kama-loka, after the 
> > separation of the principles. In Devachan all our
> > personal, 
> > unfulfilled spiritual desires and aspirations will
> > be realized; for 
> > we shall not be living in the hard world of matter
> > but in those 
> > subjective realms wherein a desire finds its instant
> > realization; 
> > because man himself is there a god and a creator.
> > 
> > In dealing with the dicta of psychics and mediums,
> > it must always be 
> > remembered that they translate, automatically and
> > unconsciously, 
> > their experiences on any plane of consciousness,
> > into the language 
> > and experience of our normal physical plane. And
> > this confusion can 
> > only be avoided by the special study-training of
> > occultism, which 
> > teaches how to trace and guide the passage of
> > impressions from one 
> > plane to another and fix them on the memory.
> > 
> > Kama-loka may be compared to the dressing-room of an
> > actor, in which 
> > he divests himself of the costume of the last part
> > he played before 
> > rebecoming himself properly - the immortal Ego of
> > the Pilgrim 
> > cycling in his Round of Incarnations. The Eternal
> > Ego being stripped 
> > in Kama-loka of its lower terrestrial principles,
> > with their 
> > passions and desires, it enters into the state of
> > Devachan. And 
> > therefore it is said that only the purely spiritual,
> > the non-
> > material emotions, affections and aspirations
> > accompany the Ego into 
> > that state of Bliss. But the process of stripping
> > off the lower, the 
> > fourth and part of the fifth, principles is an
> > unconscious one in 
> > all normal human beings. It is only in very
> > exceptional cases that 
> > there is a slight return to consciousness in
> > Kama-loka: and this is 
> > the case of very materialistic unspiritual
> > personalities, who, 
> > devoid of the conditions requisite, cannot enter the
> > state of 
> > absolute Rest and Bliss." CW IX, 163
> > 
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