Theos-Talk Archives (March 2005 Message tt00763)

Jerry,
You are assuming that these seperatist groups and it's members were 
friendly with the Masters' Society (Adyar TS) In reality many of them 
were hostile towards Adyar TS. To oppose Masters' Society and it's 
leaders in reality means opposing Masters themselves.
If ULT wanted to help Masters' Society they could have expressly 
stated so. There are many groups and individuals who work 
independently but they expressly say that they are only complementary 
to Masters' Society (Adyar TS) and not competing with it. Competing 
with Masters' Society in reality means competing and opposing Masters 
themselves. Should we assume that these individuals are working 
under influence of dark powers and so opposing Masters' Society.
Anand Gholap


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@c...> 
wrote:
> Anand,
> 
> In what way do you consider ULT a separatist group, and in what way 
does 
> ULT challenge the Masters? ULT is merely an association of 
Students of 
> Theosophy who are dedicated to the study of what they 
term "original 
> teachings." Their early task was to keep in print Blavsky's and 
> Judge's writings when other Theosophical organizations had either 
> allowed them to go out of print, or published them in an edited and 
> sometimes, revised, form. Personally, I believe that we owe a 
debt of 
> thanks to ULT for keeping in print these writings in the form that 
> Blavatsky and Judge had originally published them. 
> 
> Do you feel that the Pasadena/Point Loma TS challenged the 
Masters? Did 
> you know that Trever Barker, who compiled and published the Mahatma 
> Letters to A.P. Sinnett, was a Point Loma Theosophist? 
> 
> Perhaps I am not understanding your point. Please explain.
> 
> --j
> 
> 
> 
> Anand Gholap wrote:
> 
> >Jerry,
> >I was talking about not just ULT but all seperatist groups which 
> >broke up from the Masters' Society (Adyar TS) and created new 
> >organizations to challenge the Masters.
> >Anand Gholap
> >
> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@c...> 
> >wrote:
> > 
> >
> >>As long as you are educating us on "the important facts", may I 
> >> 
> >>
> >correct 
> > 
> >
> >>a few, perhaps, less important ones in your message in order to 
> >> 
> >>
> >put 
> > 
> >
> >>your "facts" into perspective:
> >>
> >>1. The ULT did not split off of the Adyar Society. It would be 
> >> 
> >>
> >more 
> > 
> >
> >>accurate to say that it was a break off of the Theosophical 
Society 
> >> 
> >>
> >led 
> > 
> >
> >>by Ernest Hargrove. It is true that Robert Crosbie, one of the 
> >> 
> >>
> >primary 
> > 
> >
> >>founders of ULT was at an earlier time a member of the Point Loma 
> >>Theosophical Society, but he left that organization joined the 
> >> 
> >>
> >Hargrove 
> > 
> >
> >>Society and formed a group under then left the Hargrove society 
and 
> >>formed the ULT around 1909. 
> >>
> >>2. I'm not sure what you mean by "local organization" but ULT has 
> >>branches in Europe, India, North and South America. 
> >>
> >>3. Memberships in all of the Theosophical Organizations went 
> >> 
> >>
> >through 
> > 
> >
> >>cycles of increase and decline at the same time (which in my 
> >> 
> >>
> >opinion, is 
> > 
> >
> >>an indication as to how closely they are linked together 
> >> 
> >>
> >karmically). 
> > 
> >
> >>4. I have been involved in the four presently existing 
Theosophical 
> >>Organizations (Pasadena, ULT, Adyar) and know people and have 
> >> 
> >>
> >friends in 
> > 
> >
> >>all of them. My experience has been that they all have their 
share 
> >> 
> >>
> >of 
> > 
> >
> >>bright intuitive and dull unintuitive members. 
> >>
> >>5. Nevertheless, I think it is misleading to compare the Adyar TS 
> >> 
> >>
> >to 
> > 
> >
> >>ULT, because the two organizations are of very different 
natures. 
> >> 
> >>
> >The 
> > 
> >
> >>Adyar TS is a membership organization who support the 
Theosophical 
> >>Society, while the ULT is an association of independent students 
> >> 
> >>
> >working 
> > 
> >
> >>to promote the Theosophical Movement. 
> >>
> >>--j
> >>
> >>
> >>Anand Gholap wrote:
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> >>>After splitting of the Society, Judge Society, ULT depended 
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> >heavily on 
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> >
> >>>Blavatsky's writing for more than 100 years. In many parts of 
the 
> >>>world Blavatsky's writing was not appreciated, it could not 
> >>> 
> >>>
> >convince 
> > 
> >
> >>>intuition and intellect of people. In many parts it was actually 
> >>>hated. Result is Judge Society became local organization. 
> >>>Adyar TS because of Masters' blessings got many occultists who 
> >>> 
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> >wrote 
> > 
> >
> >>>well and it was appreciated by people around the world. So Adyar 
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> >TS 
> > 
> >
> >>>became International organization.
> >>>I don't have much interest in organizational politics. But these 
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> >>>important facts.
> >>>Anand Gholap 
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