Re: Theos-World Why ULT became local while Adyar TS International Organization
Mar 31, 2005 05:44 PM
by Jerry Hejka-Ekins
Anand,
OK, here is what I understand that you are saying:
1. ULT , the Point Loma/Pasadena Theosophical Society and other unnamed
Theosophical organizations are "separatist groups."
2. By separatist groups" you mean Organizations which oppose the Adyar TS.
3. The Adyar TS is the only Theosophical Organization which the Masters
support and "guide."
4. I assume that ULT and Pasadena TS are friendly to the Adyar TS.
Well, let me begin by saying that I go by personal experience in these
matters about who is opposed to whom--not assumptions. I have been a
member of the Adyar TS for 42 years, and observed quite a lot of its
history first hand. I am also an associate of ULT and a member of the
Pasadena TS for over 20 years each. I occasionally visit the Temple of
the People in Haycyon CA., am acauainted with the past and the present
Guardian in Chief. I never became active or joined the Temple of the
People, because of their remote location makes it difficult for me to
keep in touch with them. However, I have always felt very welcome there
on those occasions when I have visited. All of these organizations are
very aware of my membership with the Adyar TS, yet they all welcome me
as a fellow Theosophist to their meetings and other activities.
In 1984 I was President of the Southern California Federation TSA, and
I organized a conference at Ojai called "The Theosophical Movement,
Networking for Unity." The conference was well attended with over 150
people. We invited key people in the TSA, Pasadena TS, Point Loma
Publications, and ULT to speak at the conference. After the
conference, Theosophical groups in the TSA, ULT and Pasadena began
announcing Networking conferences and began newsletters. It was only
the TSA which began to undermine the networking effort, and these
conferences were quietly discouraged. The Networking Conferences begun
by ULT are still going today, and are held each August in different
locations in California. The upcoming one will be in or near Santa
Barbara. Last Year's was held in San Diego. The Pasadena TS held
networking conferences in 1988 and 1991, and invited myself and other
Adyar TS members to participate in planning them.
I should also add that for many years the Long Beach Branch TSA and the
Long Beach ULT met together and jointly held meetings for the public.
That was done by mutual agreement of the two groups. Since the so
called "Head" of ULT participated in and helped organize these joint
meetings, I must assume that there were no objections as far as ULT was
concerned.
From this personal experience, and much more I could share, I have to
conclude that it is not the non Adyar organizations which oppose Adyar,
but the Adyar and TSA management which demonstratively opposed other
Theosophical organizations.
Now the questions I pose to you are these:
1. Since all of these Theosophical Groups profess universal brotherhood,
why is it that only TSA does not encourage fraternalization of its
members with fellow Theosophists of other Organizations?
2. If the non Adyar Theosophical organizations are really separatist,
then why do they welcome fraternalization with other Theosophical groups.
3. Why is it that only TSA, an Adyar organization not encourage this
fraternalization?
While members of non Adyar Theosophical Organizations have their own
traditions, and may disagree with some of the beliefs held by some
members of the Adyar TS, they have certainly demonstrated that they are
willing to put aside their differences and welcome members of all other
Theosophical organizations as brothers. Why should this not also be
encouraged in the Adyar TS?
--j
Anand Gholap wrote:
Jerry,
You are assuming that these seperatist groups and it's members were
friendly with the Masters' Society (Adyar TS) In reality many of them
were hostile towards Adyar TS. To oppose Masters' Society and it's
leaders in reality means opposing Masters themselves.
If ULT wanted to help Masters' Society they could have expressly
stated so. There are many groups and individuals who work
independently but they expressly say that they are only complementary
to Masters' Society (Adyar TS) and not competing with it. Competing
with Masters' Society in reality means competing and opposing Masters
themselves. Should we assume that these individuals are working
under influence of dark powers and so opposing Masters' Society.
Anand Gholap
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@c...>
wrote:
Anand,
In what way do you consider ULT a separatist group, and in what way
does
ULT challenge the Masters? ULT is merely an association of
Students of
Theosophy who are dedicated to the study of what they
term "original
teachings." Their early task was to keep in print Blavsky's and
Judge's writings when other Theosophical organizations had either
allowed them to go out of print, or published them in an edited and
sometimes, revised, form. Personally, I believe that we owe a
debt of
thanks to ULT for keeping in print these writings in the form that
Blavatsky and Judge had originally published them.
Do you feel that the Pasadena/Point Loma TS challenged the
Masters? Did
you know that Trever Barker, who compiled and published the Mahatma
Letters to A.P. Sinnett, was a Point Loma Theosophist?
Perhaps I am not understanding your point. Please explain.
--j
Anand Gholap wrote:
Jerry,
I was talking about not just ULT but all seperatist groups which
broke up from the Masters' Society (Adyar TS) and created new
organizations to challenge the Masters.
Anand Gholap
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@c...>
wrote:
As long as you are educating us on "the important facts", may I
correct
a few, perhaps, less important ones in your message in order to
put
your "facts" into perspective:
1. The ULT did not split off of the Adyar Society. It would be
more
accurate to say that it was a break off of the Theosophical
Society
led
by Ernest Hargrove. It is true that Robert Crosbie, one of the
primary
founders of ULT was at an earlier time a member of the Point Loma
Theosophical Society, but he left that organization joined the
Hargrove
Society and formed a group under then left the Hargrove society
and
formed the ULT around 1909.
2. I'm not sure what you mean by "local organization" but ULT has
branches in Europe, India, North and South America.
3. Memberships in all of the Theosophical Organizations went
through
cycles of increase and decline at the same time (which in my
opinion, is
an indication as to how closely they are linked together
karmically).
4. I have been involved in the four presently existing
Theosophical
Organizations (Pasadena, ULT, Adyar) and know people and have
friends in
all of them. My experience has been that they all have their
share
of
bright intuitive and dull unintuitive members.
5. Nevertheless, I think it is misleading to compare the Adyar TS
to
ULT, because the two organizations are of very different
natures.
The
Adyar TS is a membership organization who support the
Theosophical
Society, while the ULT is an association of independent students
working
to promote the Theosophical Movement.
--j
Anand Gholap wrote:
After splitting of the Society, Judge Society, ULT depended
heavily on
Blavatsky's writing for more than 100 years. In many parts of
the
world Blavatsky's writing was not appreciated, it could not
convince
intuition and intellect of people. In many parts it was actually
hated. Result is Judge Society became local organization.
Adyar TS because of Masters' blessings got many occultists who
wrote
well and it was appreciated by people around the world. So Adyar
TS
became International organization.
I don't have much interest in organizational politics. But these
are
important facts.
Anand Gholap
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