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Mar 29, 2005 11:36 AM
by christinaleestemaker
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "thalprin" <thalprin@y...> wrote: What kind of silly you are? In many reply's you reply to yourself and have fun of that. So why not to try for a mirror.Then you can realy laugh!! Here you write over a misunderstanding of Barbera and that is not of your business I think. And by the way brains, eyes and the other senses cannot work without AIR( OXYGEN). Christina > Air to eyes to sight, seems like a no brainer to me - > a reason for which there are specific reasonings. > > Maybe, Dallas has some references, dunno. > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "bta1012003" <bta101@h...> wrote: > > > > Hi Christina: > > > > This subject very profound, but for now if I may ask just a few > > questions regarding the table below: > > > > 1. On 2., "This form looks like half the moon." What form are > > you referring to? > > 2. Do you know why fire comes before air? > > Also, if fire comes before air, this puts the correlation with the > > solar plexus and not the heart. Does this make sense? > > 3. In your table, fire correlates to eyes to sight is different > > from HPB's Air to eyes to sight. Do you think HPB made a mistake, > or > > is it a printing error, or is it a blind? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > barbara > > > > > > > > > > : > > > yes, it is a composition of my personal work on the seminars of > > the > > > Theosophical Headcentre and books of Shri Aurobindo,Swami > > Sarasvati , > > > Patanjali , Taimni and even Leadbeater as HPB and others.Also > Annie > > > Besant not to forget. > > > I make a complete work of that. > > > I have different maps to where I write the new things for making > > the > > > complete picture of it. > > > Especially we learned much from the seminars on Yoga. > > > There are works (books)I wrote completely over to put it for > ever > > in > > > my mind and on the paper. > > > Isis II 590 you find a part of the thinkingpower and the working > on > > > the brain and higher plans as Samadhi, is the highest for the > human > > > on earth. > > > 1. Dharana,Dhyana and Samadhi = Samyam, the combined three > greatest > > > discipline and complete filfullment of the Mental. > > > Also Annie Besant gives a lot of that principle. > > > > > > Christina > > > > > > > > Hi Christina: > > > > > > > > Thank you for the information. Before I reply with some > > > questions, > > > > can you give me the source of this table? > > > > > > > > Barbara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > here I can give you a good table of contents > > > > > > > > > > From earth to spirit: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > element(Bhutás): - sense organ: - function - > form: > > > > > 1 earth = prithvi tattva =nose (nashka) smell > (ghanda) > > > vast > > > > > > > > > > The square in which are all the 5 senses working to hear,to > > feel, > > > > to > > > > > see, to taste and to smell. > > > > > > > > > > 2. water = Jala = apas tattva - tongue(JHVA) - taste( > > > > Rasa,Svada)- > > > > > liquit > > > > > > > > > > This form looks like half the moon and makes to hear,to > feel, > > to > > > > see > > > > > and to taste . ( so no smell) > > > > > > > > > > 3. Fire= Tejas=taijasa tattva - the eye(Chakshu) -the > > > seeing - > > > > > > > > > gas > > > > > (Ranga=color) > > > > > (Rupa= form) > > > > > > > > > > This makes the triangle with o hear,to feel and to see.( so > no > > > > taste > > > > > and smell) > > > > > > > > > > 4. Air= Vayu tattva - skin (Tvachã) - feeling-touch > > (Sparsha) > > > > > double gas and etheric. > > > > > This forms the double triangle, 6 pointed star and the > senses > > of > > > to > > > > > hear and to feel.( so no seeing,taste or smelling) > > > > > > > > > > 5. Ether=Akasha tattva - ear (Karna) - the hearing > (Shabda) - > > > > > > > etheric. > > > > > This form is an Oval and produces only hearing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After that we have > > > > > 6. the Mind ( Anapudaka tattva)Puititary gland= hypofyse - > Anja > > > > Chakra > > > > > > > > > > 7.Spirit ( Adi tattva) Pineal gland = Epifyse - > Sahasrara > > > > chakra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The corresponding chakras for the first 5 elements are : > From 1 > > > > till > > > > > 5: > > > > > > > > > > 1= muladhara(rootchakra or tall-bone) 2= swadhisthana (sacral > > > > centre) > > > > > 3= manipura(solair centre) 4= anahata(heartcentre) > > ahamkara,citta > > > > and > > > > > jivatma. > > > > > 5= vicuddha(throat chakra) > > > > > I hope I make it understandable for you. > > > > > Christina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To the Theosophical Pundits: > > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to study the relationship between the five > > elements > > > > and > > > > > > the five senses. In Diagram V in Blavatsky: Collected > > > > Writings, > > > > > > Vol XII, pp 661. ( Apology for not knowing how to send > the > > > > > > link .) Leaving out other columns, the tabulation for > the > > > > senses > > > > > > and elements is as follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > Elements Senses Organs of Sensation > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Earth Smell Nose > > > > > > 2. Water Taste Tongue > > > > > > 3. Air Sight Eyes > > > > > > 4. Fire Touch Organ of > > > excretion > > > > > > 5. Ether Hearing Ears > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Divine Flame Jnana Astral Body > > > > > > and Heart > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. Akasa The Highest The Light of > > > Kundalini > > > > > > Synthesis Sense > > > > > > > > > > > > My questions are: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. The correspondence for Air – Sight – Eyes does not > > > make sense > > > > > > to me. I would think Fire is closer to sight than air. > Am I > > > > > > missing something? > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. The correspondence for Fire – Touch – Organ of > > > excretion also > > > > > > makes no sense. Why organ of excretion? Also, I would > think > > > > that > > > > > > touch is closer air. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. And the Astral Body and Heart for the Divine Flame? > > > Is HPB > > > > > > using the word astral in a different way? > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. I would think that Hearing comes before Sight, but > > > this not > > > > > how > > > > > > it is tabulated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate any light on this, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > barbara