Theos-Talk Archives (March 2005 Message tt00683)

And I thought it was me who seemed to have difficult of getting the meaningof what "thalprin" writes...
We have to accept everyone´s differences but I confess you sometimes it ain´t that easy!
I gess that if she wished to be understood she would have done some effortsalready, wouldn´t she?

K



----- Original Message ----- 
From: christinaleestemaker 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 4:35 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: Five Elements and Five Senses




--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "thalprin" <thalprin@y...> wrote:
What kind of silly you are?
In many reply's you reply to yourself and have fun of that.
So why not to try for a mirror.Then you can realy laugh!!

Here you write over a misunderstanding of Barbera and that is not of 
your business I think.

And by the way brains, eyes and the other senses cannot work without 
AIR( OXYGEN).
Christina

> Air to eyes to sight, seems like a no brainer to me - 
> a reason for which there are specific reasonings.
> 
> Maybe, Dallas has some references, dunno.   
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "bta1012003" <bta101@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Christina:
> > 
> > This subject very profound, but for now if I may ask just a few 
> > questions regarding the table below:
> > 
> > 1. On 2., "This form looks like half the moon." What form are 
> > you referring to?
> > 2. Do you know why fire comes before air?
> > Also, if fire comes before air, this puts the correlation with 
the 
> > solar plexus and not the heart. Does this make sense?
> > 3. In your table, fire correlates to eyes to sight is different 
> > from HPB's Air to eyes to sight. Do you think HPB made a 
mistake, 
> or 
> > is it a printing error, or is it a blind?
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > 
> > barbara
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > :
> > > yes, it is a composition of my personal work on the seminars 
of 
> > the 
> > > Theosophical Headcentre and books of Shri Aurobindo,Swami 
> > Sarasvati , 
> > > Patanjali , Taimni and even Leadbeater as HPB and others.Also 
> Annie 
> > > Besant not to forget.
> > > I make a complete work of that.
> > > I have different maps to where I write the new things for 
making 
> > the 
> > > complete picture of it.
> > > Especially we learned much from the seminars on Yoga.
> > > There are works (books)I wrote completely over to put it for 
> ever 
> > in 
> > > my mind and on the paper.
> > > Isis II 590 you find a part of the thinkingpower and the 
working 
> on 
> > > the brain and higher plans as Samadhi, is the highest for the 
> human 
> > > on earth.
> > > 1. Dharana,Dhyana and Samadhi = Samyam, the combined three 
> greatest 
> > > discipline and complete filfullment of the Mental.
> > > Also Annie Besant gives a lot of that principle.
> > > 
> > > Christina
> > > > 
> > > > Hi Christina:
> > > > 
> > > > Thank you for the information. Before I reply with some 
> > > questions, 
> > > > can you give me the source of this table?  
> > > > 
> > > > Barbara
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > _______________________________________________________
> > > > 
> > > > > here I can give you a good table of contents
> > > > > 
> > > > > From earth to spirit:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > element(Bhutás): - sense organ: - function -  
> form:
> > > > > 1 earth = prithvi tattva =nose (nashka) smell
> (ghanda)    
> > > vast
> > > > > 
> > > > > The square in which are all the 5 senses working to hear,to 
> > feel, 
> > > > to 
> > > > > see, to taste and to smell.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2. water = Jala = apas tattva - tongue(JHVA) - taste( 
> > > > Rasa,Svada)-
> > > > > liquit       
> > > > > 
> > > > > This form looks like half the moon and makes to hear,to 
> feel, 
> > to 
> > > > see 
> > > > > and to taste . ( so no smell)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 3. Fire= Tejas=taijasa tattva - the eye(Chakshu) -the 
> > > seeing -
> > > >  
> > > > > gas 
> > > > > (Ranga=color)
> > > > > (Rupa= form)
> > > > > 
> > > > > This makes the triangle with o hear,to feel and to see.( so 
> no 
> > > > taste 
> > > > > and smell)
> > > > >  
> > > > > 4. Air= Vayu tattva - skin (Tvachã) - feeling-touch 
> > (Sparsha)  
> > > > > double gas and etheric.
> > > > > This forms the double triangle, 6 pointed star and the 
> senses 
> > of 
> > > to 
> > > > > hear and to feel.( so no seeing,taste or smelling)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 5. Ether=Akasha tattva - ear (Karna) - the hearing
> (Shabda) -
> >  
> > > > > etheric.
> > > > > This form is an Oval and produces only hearing.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > After that we have 
> > > > > 6. the Mind ( Anapudaka tattva)Puititary gland= hypofyse -
> Anja 
> > > > Chakra
> > > > > 
> > > > > 7.Spirit ( Adi tattva) Pineal gland = Epifyse - 
> Sahasrara 
> > > > chakra
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The corresponding chakras for the first 5 elements are : 
> From 1 
> > > > till 
> > > > > 5:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1= muladhara(rootchakra or tall-bone) 2= swadhisthana
(sacral 
> > > > centre) 
> > > > > 3= manipura(solair centre) 4= anahata(heartcentre)
> > ahamkara,citta 
> > > > and 
> > > > > jivatma.
> > > > > 5= vicuddha(throat chakra) 
> > > > > I hope I make it understandable for you.
> > > > > Christina
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > To the Theosophical Pundits:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I am trying to study the relationship between the five 
> > elements 
> > > > and 
> > > > > > the five senses. In Diagram V in Blavatsky: Collected 
> > > > Writings, 
> > > > > > Vol XII, pp 661. ( Apology for not knowing how to send 
> the 
> > > > > > link .) Leaving out other columns, the tabulation for 
> the 
> > > > senses 
> > > > > > and elements is as follows:  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Elements Senses Organs of Sensation
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 1. Earth Smell Nose
> > > > > > 2. Water Taste Tongue
> > > > > > 3. Air Sight Eyes
> > > > > > 4. Fire Touch Organ of 
> > > excretion
> > > > > > 5. Ether Hearing Ears
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 6. Divine Flame Jnana Astral Body 
> > > > > > and Heart
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 7. Akasa The Highest The Light of 
> > > Kundalini
> > > > > > Synthesis Sense
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > My questions are:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 1. The correspondence for Air - Sight - Eyes does not 
> > > make sense 
> > > > > > to me. I would think Fire is closer to sight than air.  
> Am I 
> > > > > > missing something?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 2. The correspondence for Fire - Touch - Organ of 
> > > excretion also 
> > > > > > makes no sense. Why organ of excretion? Also, I would 
> think 
> > > > that 
> > > > > > touch is closer air.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 3. And the Astral Body and Heart for the Divine Flame?  
> > > Is HPB 
> > > > > > using the word astral in a different way?   
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 4. I would think that Hearing comes before Sight, but 
> > > this not 
> > > > > how 
> > > > > > it is tabulated.  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I appreciate any light on this, 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > barbara





   
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