Theos-Talk Archives (March 2005 Message tt00676)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "bta1012003" <bta101@h...> wrote:
Hallo;
HPB writes the same only from upside down from spirit to matter and 
than you get first air, before fire.
See on page SDII 107.Evolution of the elements and the senses.
You must have a better look.
I wrote from matter to spirit, from the lowest chakra to the highest.
The way we have to go back to the spirit.
Christina






> 
> Hi Christina:
> 
> This subject very profound, but for now if I may ask just a few 
> questions regarding the table below:
> 
> 1.	On 2., "This form looks like half the moon." What form are 
> you referring to?
> 2.	Do you know why fire comes before air?
> Also, if fire comes before air, this puts the correlation with the 
> solar plexus and not the heart. Does this make sense?
> 3.	In your table, fire correlates to eyes to sight is different 
> from HPB's Air to eyes to sight. Do you think HPB made a mistake, 
or 
> is it a printing error, or is it a blind?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> barbara
> 
> 
> 
> 
> :
> > yes, it is a composition of my personal work on the seminars of 
> the 
> > Theosophical Headcentre and books of Shri Aurobindo,Swami 
> Sarasvati , 
> > Patanjali , Taimni and even Leadbeater as HPB and others.Also 
Annie 
> > Besant not to forget.
> > I make a complete work of that.
> > I have different maps to where I write the new things for making 
> the 
> > complete picture of it.
> > Especially we learned much from the seminars on Yoga.
> > There are works (books)I wrote completely over to put it for ever 
> in 
> > my mind and on the paper.
> > Isis II 590 you find a part of the thinkingpower and the working 
on 
> > the brain and higher plans as Samadhi, is the highest for the 
human 
> > on earth.
> > 1. Dharana,Dhyana and Samadhi = Samyam, the combined three 
greatest 
> > discipline and complete filfullment of the Mental.
> > Also Annie Besant gives a lot of that principle.
> > 
> > Christina
> > > 
> > > Hi Christina:
> > > 
> > > Thank you for the information. Before I reply with some 
> > questions, 
> > > can you give me the source of this table?  
> > > 
> > > Barbara
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________________
> > > 
> > > > here I can give you a good table of contents
> > > > 
> > > > From earth to spirit:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > element(Bhutás): - sense organ: - function -  
form:
> > > > 1 earth = prithvi tattva =nose (nashka) smell
(ghanda)    
> > vast
> > > > 
> > > > The square in which are all the 5 senses working to hear,to 
> feel, 
> > > to 
> > > > see, to taste and to smell.
> > > > 
> > > > 2. water = Jala = apas tattva - tongue(JHVA) - taste( 
> > > Rasa,Svada)-
> > > > liquit       
> > > > 
> > > > This form looks like half the moon and makes to hear,to feel, 
> to 
> > > see 
> > > > and to taste . ( so no smell)
> > > > 
> > > > 3. Fire= Tejas=taijasa tattva - the eye(Chakshu) -the 
> > seeing -
> > >  
> > > > gas 
> > > > (Ranga=color)
> > > > (Rupa= form)
> > > > 
> > > > This makes the triangle with o hear,to feel and to see.( so 
no 
> > > taste 
> > > > and smell)
> > > >  
> > > > 4. Air= Vayu tattva - skin (Tvachã) - feeling-touch 
> (Sparsha)  
> > > > double gas and etheric.
> > > > This forms the double triangle, 6 pointed star and the senses 
> of 
> > to 
> > > > hear and to feel.( so no seeing,taste or smelling)
> > > > 
> > > > 5. Ether=Akasha tattva - ear (Karna) - the hearing
(Shabda) -
>  
> > > > etheric.
> > > > This form is an Oval and produces only hearing.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > After that we have 
> > > > 6. the Mind ( Anapudaka tattva)Puititary gland= hypofyse -
Anja 
> > > Chakra
> > > > 
> > > > 7.Spirit ( Adi tattva) Pineal gland = Epifyse - 
Sahasrara 
> > > chakra
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > The corresponding chakras for the first 5 elements are : From 
1 
> > > till 
> > > > 5:
> > > > 
> > > > 1= muladhara(rootchakra or tall-bone) 2= swadhisthana(sacral 
> > > centre) 
> > > > 3= manipura(solair centre) 4= anahata(heartcentre)
> ahamkara,citta 
> > > and 
> > > > jivatma.
> > > > 5= vicuddha(throat chakra) 
> > > > I hope I make it understandable for you.
> > > > Christina
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > To the Theosophical Pundits:
> > > > > 
> > > > > I am trying to study the relationship between the five 
> elements 
> > > and 
> > > > > the five senses. In Diagram V in Blavatsky: Collected 
> > > Writings, 
> > > > > Vol XII, pp 661. ( Apology for not knowing how to send the 
> > > > > link .) Leaving out other columns, the tabulation for the 
> > > senses 
> > > > > and elements is as follows:  
> > > > > 
> > > > > Elements	Senses	Organs of Sensation
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1.	Earth	Smell	Nose
> > > > > 2.	Water	Taste	Tongue
> > > > > 3.	Air	Sight	Eyes
> > > > > 4.	Fire	Touch	Organ of 
> > excretion
> > > > > 5.	Ether	Hearing	Ears
> > > > > 
> > > > > 6.	Divine Flame Jnana	Astral Body	
> > > > > and Heart
> > > > > 
> > > > > 7.	Akasa	The Highest	The Light of 
> > Kundalini
> > > > > Synthesis Sense
> > > > > 
> > > > > My questions are:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1.	The correspondence for Air – Sight – Eyes does not 
> > make sense 
> > > > > to me. I would think Fire is closer to sight than air. Am 
I 
> > > > > missing something?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2.	The correspondence for Fire – Touch – Organ of 
> > excretion also 
> > > > > makes no sense. Why organ of excretion? Also, I would 
think 
> > > that 
> > > > > touch is closer air.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 3.	And the Astral Body and Heart for the Divine Flame?  
> > Is HPB 
> > > > > using the word astral in a different way?   
> > > > > 
> > > > > 4.	I would think that Hearing comes before Sight, but 
> > this not 
> > > > how 
> > > > > it is tabulated.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I appreciate any light on this, 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > barbara