Theos-Talk Archives (February 2005 Message tt00041)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Konstantin Zaitzev" 
<kay_ziatz@y...> wrote:
> I have read somewhere than Papus was F.T.S. and even a head of the 
> French
> section. Is it true?

Yes. Papus was a natural leader, not only in the French TS but also 
the Martinist Order, the Rosicrucians, and loads of other groups 
whose names escape me at the moment. He broke with the TS because of 
a sense in France that they needed to get more Western and away from 
the Eastern orientation of the TS. The Martinist Order especially 
was French, so Papus became renovateur de l'ordre Martiniste en 
France.

> I see his influence as rather positive for he tried to prevent 
> Russia's participation in
> WW1

Probably true, but Rasputin was a very eccentric source of positive 
influence. Trying to heal that kid of hemophilia with prayer is 
pretty far out. Probably worth a try, though.

> It is interesting that he has made the similar prediction. 
> He said that he will
> be killed, and then the Czar will be killed also, and if he 
(Rasputin) 
> will be killed by a
> man of nobility, all the monarchy will come to the end.

That is interesting. Sort of like Louis-Philippe. Apre mois le 
deluge. That may have been a standard claim of impostors trying to 
curry favor with the royal house then.

> Though the main reason was, of course, not the imperfect magic, but 
> stupidity of the
> Czar. In the last years many memoirs were printed which were before 
in 
> archives or
> magazines printed abroad by emirgants, and from them I conclude 
that 
> he was even
> worse than soviet propaganda pictured him. 

Well, yes, the claim of Papus was not that his magic would cause the 
monarchy to collapse, but that it would fail to protect the Czar upon 
his death. So his claim does not contradict but rather supports what 
you said. Whether Papus' magical claims were true or not is 
impossible to say but it makes a good spook story.