Theos-Talk Archives (February 2005 Message tt00040)

Feb 2 2005

RE: Huge Celestial Body Passing Earth?

Dear Friend:


As I understand THEOSOPHY it teaches Karma. Nothing happens without some
previous cause.

If our Earth and its inhabitants are in some way connected with a collision
from material that is at present in "outer space" then at some time there
would have been a connection. What ? Where? When ?

As to the death of many thousands of bodies almost simultaneously ( as in
the recent Tsunami event (Dec 26 2004) in the Indian Ocean), we may surmise
that all those affected in one way or another were in this life, personally,
at a point of crisis where the experience was "necessary."  

What the individual reasons are, we would find difficult to discover.

THEOSOPHY can only state the reasonableness and probability of a past
relationship and the present crisis personally which demanded of all those
involved choices that led to death, injury or survival. This is only a
general statement in the light of theosophic philosophy.

Underlying this is the theosophical basic law of immortality for every
Monadic Ego -- death in any one life-experience is followed by an eventual
reincarnation.

NDE ( Near-death-experiences) give evidence of this. (see Google under
NDE).


Best wishes,

Dallas

P S

Here are some interesting clues from Theosophical literature on :

DELUGES (Chronology from THEOSOPHY )

	
4,000,000 BC c. Engulfing of Lemuria (e.g.:--Easter Island)  
SD I 439
[4th Round, 4th Globe, 3rd "Race"]   
  
Easter Island - SD I 322 439 II 224 317

Atlantis [ Titans / Kabiri / Cyclops ]
[4th Round, 4th Globe, 4th "Race"]     


998,100 BC Cataclysms: Atlantis begins sinking SD II 141
Is I 557 593 SD II 10 144 Glos 42-3

869,000 BC Dwapara Yuga Commencement (since 1888) SD II 147    

( Kali-Yuga began 3,102 BC )

850,000 BC Since submergence of last large peninsula of
the Great Atlantis SD II 10

850,000 BC Glacial Period est. by Stockwell & Croll SD II 141 144

800,000 BC Angkor Wat built (2nd most Occult Edifice) Glos 223
Is I 239 561-8 271-2


250,000 + BC Last Glaciation of Europe Isis I 3

Pyramids were 3 times submerged SD I 313 424 617  
S D II 462-6 575 435 749-50 351-3 351-2 93 276fn 	
429 462; GL 223 300; IS I 154 239 296-7 517-21
THY Vol. 67-p.54

Sphinx (Harmachus)	SD II 124 618 Glos 135-6 Is I 573


78,000 + BC Denderah Zodiac [Egyptians brought from Lanka - Menes ] 
SD II 374fn 431-6 456 577 580; IS I 440-1   

49,186 BC Egyptian Records go back to ( Diogenes Laertius ) 
by 8,863 yrs. in 323 BC IS I 33

34,300 BC Sumerian Tablet gives 32,234 yrs between Deluge
and last king of Isin c.200 BC Thy 16,
p.195


9,566 BC Deluge of Deucalion. Last Island of Atlantis ML p. 155
submerged. Last war between the 5 YRS THY 99fn   
"Sons of God" of the "White Island" and SD II 406 444fn
the last Atlantean sorcerers	ISIS I 589-594

9,500 BC Atlantis - Last Island sank Timaeus"- Plato as narrated
by Priests of Sais to Solon	TM 46-469
M L 151 153 155; I U I 588-94; S D II 406 535

8,000 BC Tchandalas (Semites) begin to emigrate from India to Chaldea  
SD II 200 Glos 323 165 IS I 135 551-2 578  
Isis II 438-9 SD I 313fn  

7,975 BC End of the last Sidereal Year Ocean 129 SD I 649-50
(9,868 yrs. before 1893) SD II 314 331 432 470  
 
6,500 c BC Zarathustra (6,000 yrs. before Plato c 400 BC) Gl 384-5
IS I 19 II 141 SD I 464 II 323 Theos't I-135  
Thy 14-97
[Zoroaster was a Title - 24 Zoroasters. The last Zoroaster
(Guru-astera or Star Guru) was a contemporary 
of Gautama Buddha. c. 600 BC ]

6,000 / 5,000 Trojan War nearer 6,000 than 5,000 BC 
S D II 37fn Thy 27-103 IS I 520 598  
Glos 96 (Dardanus) SD II 101 236 440

3750 BC	Sargon I reigned (Prof. A. H. Sayce)	SD II 691

3,700 Local Deluge in Middle East S D II 691

3,100 BC Kali-Yuga began 3,102 BC 

3,100 c. Dwaraka (Gujerat, Kathiawar) submerged. End of Yadus,
Krishna' race	Glos 374

3,000 c Gilgamesh epic "Flood" of Jewish Bible Thy 16, 307

2,875 c Akkadians (Semites) overrun Sumer Sargon IS I 576-78

Babylon & Assyria Glos 47 37 IS I 567 ML 152 
THY 16-194 307

2,253 BC Chaldean Astronomical Observations for past 1903 years 	
Calliosthenes to Aristotle (c 350 BC) IS I 21
Berosus figured, by zodiac S D I 649-50 

1,700 c BC Knossos (Crete) at its height ISIS I 264 545
[ c 3,000 BC - 1,400 BC ]

1,628	BC Thera (Santorini) Volcano Erupts (Tree Ring Dating)
[ L A Times, Aug 29 1996 ]
[ End of Minoan Civilization, and tidal waves
overwhelm coasts of Eastern Mediterranean.]

1,600 c BC Achaeans to Crete destruction of Knossos dynasty
Thera-Santorini volcano explodes 

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>From the SECRET DOCTRINE 


CATACLYSM(S) I 273; II 138-49, 404, 751 &n. 
    
American, Humboldt on II 141 
Atlantean or Noah's II 69n, 142-6, 311-14, 395, 410,
423, 533-4, 751n, 774 
" causes of II 141, 144-5, 274, 699 (850,000 years ago 
Chinese, or Peiru-un II 365 
creative law forming Earth II 595 
destroyed fourth race (4th Round) II 144, 314 
destroyed second continent II 138 
at each sidereal year I 649 
every race records II 787 &n 
of fire & water II 266, 307n, 309, 311, 725-6, 776n, 784-6 
FLOOD(s) I 389, 397n; II 150. 
first cosmic, was creation II 139 
first, in Aryan memory II 332 
great, allegorical & cosmic II 146, 307-10 
Great, is Old Dragon II 352-3, 786 
great, of third race II 331 
Hyperborean Continent. -- Second
birthplace of first giants II 775 
first continent to disappear II 606n 
Noah's, not Central Asian II 141 
occult science survived great I 341 
second, of fourth race II 146 
third & fourth II 263-4, 606n 
third, Lemurian II 329, 371-2, 606 
third, sank 4,242,352 years ago I 439n 
four, already; fifth to come II 138 
fourth round, most intense II 149 
geological records of II 486 
Hindu computations re I 369 
inclination of axis caused II 52 
Lyell on II 786-7 
little, in Central Asia (Bunsen) II 141 
many myths, compressed into one II 141 
meanings of II 139-40, 144, 145-6 
moon, planets & II 699 500n
Noachian I 415, 444-5; II 3, 32, 69n, 138, 222, 265, 309,
390, 393, 466, 774 
overtook fourth race II 350 
periodical, geological II 274, 410, 776 &n 
in Popol-Vuh II 35 
new forms & bodies after II 262-3, 500n 
next, & present continents II 332-3 
of fourth round I 444 
geological, ended 3rd race II 313 
historical events II 335 
periodical, cyclical II 145, 329, 785 
Secondary Age, destroyed third race II 714 
subraces subject to II 330 
destroy races II 307n, 309, 437, 500n, 703, 776 
pyramids, constellations & II 352 
in Samothrace & Gobi II 4-5 
satya-yuga followed I 67 
several, in fifth race II 353 
sidereal & geological II 314 
skeletons before, tall II 278 
story of, & third race II 139-40 &n 
take thousands of years II 330 
two meanings of, (in Isis Unveiled) II 144 
violent & gradual II 787 &n 
traditions of I 322; II 141, 365, 751 &n, 774 
universal II 530 
universal, watery abyss (Berosus) II 715n 
Vaivasvata's I 369, 523; II 4, 69n, 139, 309-10, 313 
various I 67-8; II 141-6, 270-1, 313-15, 784-5
will destroy Europe, America I 646; II 445-6 


Earth's Axis Moves  

Changes Earth's axis of I 369; II 52, 292, 314, 324-5, 771 
beneficent & lethal influence of II 400n 
celestial, as Meru II 785 
changes of II 785-6 
in constellation of Harp (Egyptian) II 360n 
continents at North II 6-7, 12, 400n, 401, 785 
disturbances sank second continent I 369 
inclination of axis caused deluge II 52 360
karmic disturbances of II 274, 329-30 
science & violent changes of II 314, 726 
shifting, & deluge II 145, 314, 324-5, 360, 533-4, 771 
zodiac & changes in II 431


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"The doctrine of Cycles is one of the most important in the whole
theosophical system, though the least known and of all the one most
infrequently referred to. Western investigators have for some centuries
suspected that events move in cycles, and a few of the writers in the field
of European literature have dealt with the subject, but all in a very
incomplete fashion. This incompleteness and want of accurate knowledge have
been due to the lack of belief in spiritual things and the desire to square
everything with materialistic science. Nor do I pretend to give the cyclic
law in full, for it is one that is not given out in detail by the Masters of
Wisdom. But enough has been divulged, and enough was for a long time known
to the Ancients to add considerably to our knowledge. 

A cycle is a ring or turning, as the derivation of the word indicates.
The corresponding words in the Sanskrit are Yuga, Kalpa, Manvantara, but of
these yuga comes nearest to cycle, as it is lesser in duration than the
others. The beginning of a cycle must be a moment, that added to other
moments makes a day, and those added together constitute months, years,
decades, and centuries. Beyond this the West hardly goes. It recognizes the
moon cycle and the great sidereal one, but looks at both and upon the others
merely as periods of time. If we are to consider them as but lengths of time
there is no profit except to the dry student or to the astronomer. 

And in this way today they are regarded by European and American thinkers,
who say cycles exist but have no very great bearing on human life and
certainly no bearing on the actual recurrence of events or the reappearance
on the stage of life of persons who once lived in the world. The
theosophical theory is distinctly otherwise, as it must be if it carries out
the doctrine of reincarnation to which in preceding pages a good deal of
attention has been given. Not only are the cycles named actual physical
facts in respect to time, but they and other periods have a very great
effect on human life and the evolution of the globe with all the forms of
life thereon. 

Starting with the moment and proceeding through a day, this theory erects
the cycle into a comprehensive ring which includes all in its limits. The
moment being the basis, the question to be settled in respect to the great
cycles is, When did the first moment come? This cannot be answered, but it
can be said that the truth is held by the ancient theosophists to be that at
the first moments of the solidification of this globe the mass of matter
involved attained a certain and definite rate of vibration which will hold
through all variations in any part of it until its hour for dissolution
comes. 

These rates of vibration are what determine the different cycles, and,
contrary to the ideas of western science, the doctrine is that the solar
system and the globe we are now on will come to an end when the force behind
the whole mass of seen and unseen matter has reached its limit of duration
under cyclic law. Here our doctrine is again different from both the
religious and scientific one. We do not admit that the ending of the force
is the withdrawal by a God of his protection, nor the sudden propulsion by
him of another force against the globe, but that the force at work and
determining the great cycle is that of man himself considered as a spiritual
being; when he is done using the globe he leaves it, and then with him goes
out the force holding all together; the consequence is dissolution by fire
or water or what not, these phenomena being simply effects and not causes. 

The ordinary scientific speculations on this head are that the earth may
fall into the sun, or that a comet of density may destroy the globe, OR THAT
WE MAY COLLIDE WITH A GREATER PLANET KNOWN OR UNKNOWN. THESE DREAMS ARE IDLE
FOR THE PRESENT. 

Reincarnation being the great law of life and progress, it is interwoven
with that of the cycles and karma. These three work together, and in
practice it is almost impossible to disentangle reincarnation from cyclic
law. Individuals and nations in definite streams return in regularly
recurring periods to the earth, and thus bring back to the globe the arts,
the civilization, the very persons who once were on it at work. 

And as the units in nation and race are connected together by invisible
strong threads, large bodies of such units moving slowly but surely all
together reunite at different times and emerge again and again together into
new race and new civilization as the cycles roll their appointed rounds.
Therefore the souls who made the most ancient civilizations will come back
and bring the old civilization with them in idea and essence, which being
added to what others have done for the development of the human race in its
character and knowledge will produce a new and higher state of civilization.
This newer and better development will not be due to books, to records, to
arts or mechanics, because all those are periodically destroyed so far as
physical evidence goes, but the soul ever retaining in Manas the knowledge
it once gained and always pushing to completer development the higher
principles and powers, the essence of progress remains and will as surely
come out as the sun shines. And along this road are the points when the
small and large cycles of Avatars bring out for man's benefit the great
characters who mold the race from time to time. " Ocean Ch. 12

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The Zodiac is the Clock of Karma

"Affecting man especially are the spiritual, psychic, and moral cycles, and
out of these grow the national, racial, and individual cycles. Race and
national cycles are both historical. 

The individual cycles are of reincarnation, of sensation, and of impression.
The length of the individual reincarnation cycle for the general mass of men
is fifteen hundred years, and this in its turn gives us a large historical
cycle related closely to the progress of civilization. For as the masses of
persons return from devachan, it must follow that the Roman, the Greek, the
old Aryan, and other Ages will be seen again and can to a very great extent
be plainly traced. But man is also affected by astronomical cycles because
he is an integral part of the whole, and these cycles mark the periods when
mankind as a whole will undergo a change. 

In the sacred books of all nations these are often mentioned, and are in the
Bible of the Christians, as, for instance, in the story of Jonah in the
belly of the whale. This is an absurdity when read as history, but not so as
an astronomical cycle. "Jonah" is in the constellations, and when that
astronomical point which represents man reaches a point in the Zodiac which
is directly opposite the belly of Cetus or the whale on the other side of
the circle, by what is known as the process of opposition, then Jonah is
said to be in the center of the fish and is "thrown out" at the expiration
of the period when that man-point has passed so far along in the Zodiac as
to be out of opposition to the whale. 

Similarly as the same point moves thus through the Zodiac it is brought by
opposition into the different constellations that are exactly opposite from
century to century while it moves along. During these progresses changes
take place among men and on earth exactly signified by the constellations
when those are read according to the right rules of symbology. 

It is not claimed that the conjunction causes the effect, but that ages ago
the Masters of Wisdom worked out all the problems in respect to man and
found in the heavens the means for knowing the exact dates when events are
sure to recur, and then by imprinting in the minds of older nations the
symbology of the Zodiac were able to preserve the record and the prophecy.
Thus in the same way that a watchmaker can tell the hour by the arrival of
the hands or the works of the watch at certain fixed points, the Sages can
tell the hour for events by the Zodiacal clock. 

This is not of course believed today, but it will be well understood in
future centuries, and as the nations of the earth have all similar symbols
in general for the Zodiac, and as also the records of races long dead have
the same, it is not likely that the vandal-spirit of the western nineteenth
century will be able to efface this valuable heritage of our evolution. 

In Egypt the Denderah Zodiac [ S D II pp. 431-3, 344 ] tells the same
tale as that one left to us by the old civilization of the American
continent, and all of these are from the same source, they are the work of
the Sages who come at the beginning of the great human cycle and give to man
when he begins his toilsome ascent up the road of development those great
symbols and ideas of an astronomical character which will last through all
the cycles. 


CYCLIC CATACLYSMS

In regard to GREAT CATACLYSMS occurring at the beginning and ending of
the great cycles, the main laws governing the effects are those of KARMA AND
REIMBODIMENT, OR REINCARNATION, proceeding under cyclic rule. Not only is
man ruled by these laws, but every atom of matter as well, and the mass of
matter is constantly undergoing a change at the same time with man. It must
therefore exhibit alterations corresponding to those through which the
thinker is going. 

On the physical plane effects are brought out through the electrical and
other fluids acting with the gases on the solids of the globe. At the change
of a great cycle they reach what may be termed the exploding point and cause
violent convulsions of the following classes: (a) Earthquakes, (b) Floods,
(c) Fire, (d) Ice. 

EARTHQUAKES may be brought on according to this philosophy by two general
causes; first, subsidence or elevation under the earth-crust due to heat and
steam, second, electrical and magnetic changes which affect water and earth
at the same time. These last have the power to instantaneously make the
earth fluidic without melting it, thus causing immense and violent
displacements in large or small waves. And this effect is sometimes seen now
in earthquake districts when similar electrical causes are at work in a
smaller measure. 

FLOODS of general extent are caused by displacement of water from the
subsidence or elevation of land, and by those combined with electrical
change which induces a copious discharge of moisture. The latter is not a
mere emptying of a cloud, but a sudden turning of vast bodies of fluids and
solids into water.
 
UNIVERSAL FIRES come on from electrical and magnetic changes in the 
atmosphere by which the moisture is withdrawn from the air and the latter
turned into a fiery mass; and, secondly, by the sudden expansion of the
solar magnetic center into seven such centers, thus burning the globe. 

ICE CATACLYSMS come on not only from the sudden alteration of the poles
but also from lowered temperature due to the alteration of the warm fluid
currents in the sea and the hot magnetic currents in the earth, the first
being known to science, the latter not. The lower stratum of moisture is
suddenly frozen, and vast tracts of land covered in a night with many feet
of ice. This can easily happen to the British Isles if the warm currents of
the ocean are diverted from its shores. " Ocean, pp 121-4

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I hope this may be of help

Best wishes, 

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Eric J 
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 9:32 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: Huge Celestial Body Passing Earth?

Star, I often wonder of myself -- all of us --- how much Christ is already
within us? --- I must say I do highly enjoy gnostic insight (the more
first-hand comprehension the better -- pre Eusbias-cataloging).