Theos-Talk Archives (January 2005 Message tt01012)

There's mention in it in a web page by David Pratt:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/johnson2.htm

He says, in part, the following. Consult the webpage for more commentary.

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In a letter of 7 February 1886, Countess Wachtmeister wrote to Sinnett:
"Don't trouble any more about the two D.N.'s -- there are two -- but there
is also a Mystery. . . . Some day you will know all for Madame has told me
that at her death all that she has ever received from the Mahatma K.H. will
be given to you . . . Babajee is a chela, though not the high one he
pretends to be" (LBS 286). That the masters had written to HPB providing
certain information about Babaji is also mentioned in a letter she wrote
from Elberfeld on 23 June 1886 to C.W. Leadbeater, who at that time was a
probationary chela of KH. In it she says: 


When [Babaji] came to Bombay to the Headquarters, your Master ordered me to
tell all He accepted Krishna Swami, and had sent him to live with us and
work for the TS. He was sent to Simla to Mr. S, that is to say, he gave up
his personality to a real chela, Dharbagiri Nath, and has assumed his name
since then. As I was under pledge of silence I could not contradict him when
I heard him bragging that he had lived with his Master in Tibet and was an
accepted regular chela. But now when he failed as a "probationary" owing to
personal ambition, jealousy of Mohini, and a suddenly developed rage and
envy even to hatred of Colonel and myself -- now Master ordered me to say
the truth. . . . When I showed him Master's writing in which your Mahatma
corroborated my statement and affirmed that he (Bawajee) "had never seen HIM
or [been] to Tibet" -- Mr B. cooly said it was a spook letter; for the
Mahatma could neither write letters, nor would He ever say anything about
his chelas. (LCWL 85-6) 
HPB wrote this letter in reply to a letter from Leadbeater asking her to
pass on an enclosed letter to KH. She begins her reply by saying that she is
returning his letter to KH because she is not prepared to transmit any more
letters. However, when Leadbeater received HPB's letter, his letter to KH
was no longer enclosed, but written across the last page of HPB's letter was
a brief message from KH. It includes the sentence: "The little man [Babaji]
has failed and will reap his reward." 

Thus, when HPB writes to Babaji that theosophists will probably shake both
of them off when they learn the whole truth, she is referring to Babaji's
deception in pretending to be a high chela, and to her own inability to
expose his pretences due to her pledge of silence. That Johnson should cite
this passage as potential evidence for his hypothesis that HPB's Tibetan
masters were a myth is a clear indication that, due to a serious shortage of
convincing evidence, he is reduced to clutching at straws...

-----Original Message-----
From: Cass Silva [mailto:silva_cass@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 6:02 PM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Pedro: Leadbeater "was presenting the results
of his own studies."


Can anyone tell me who the little man that failed, that KH refers to
Cass

prmoliveira <prmoliveira@yahoo.com> wrote:


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel H. Caldwell"
wrote:


> Pedro,
> 
> Perry wrote:
> 
> ==============================================
> He [CWL] may have said you can believe this or not,
> but that is quite a different thing from not
> pointing out to his readers and followers how
> his teachings clashed with those of the Adept
> teachers of Blavatsky he claimed to be a Chela
> and student of.
> =============================================
> 
> And to these remarks, you replied:
> 
> ============================================
> Why should he do this? He [CWL] was presenting the
> results of HIS OWN studies. And
> 
> "The fact is, that to the last and supreme
> initiation every chela -(and even some adepts) -
> is left to his own device and counsel." (ML
> 92, chronological)
> ============================================
> caps added
> 
> Pedro, it is interesting to compare and contrast what
> you say Leadbeater was doing with what Madame Blavatsky
> said about what the adepts were doing.
> 
> In one of her articles, Madame Blavatsky tells her readers that the
> Adepts "check each other's conclusions . . . [and] test each
> other's discoveries."
> 
> This is repeated in THE SECRET DOCTRINE where she writes
> that "no vision of one adept was accepted till it was checked and 
> confirmed by the visions --- so obtained as to stand as independent 
> evidence --- of other adepts, and by centuries of experiences."
> 
> The method as described by Blavatsky is a collaborative effort of
> comparing, contrasting and checking.
> 
> Pedro, are you suggesting that Leadbeater did his clairvoyant studies 
> on his own and without consultation with the Adepts Morya, Koot Hoomi 
> and others? In other words, he was "left to his own device and 
> counsel."
> 
> You have written that Leadbeater's "visions" of Mars were "basically 
> wrong." Would this suggest (following your line of thought)that 
> Leadbeater did NOT seek confirmation of the accuracy of his 
> Mars "observations" from the Adepts or from his own Master Koot Hoomi?
> 
> Some food for thought.


As I already said, he took responsibility for what he wrote. I also
never found any claim by him that the Masters had validated, certified
and authenticated what he wrote. But then again, one's time for
reading is limited. 

I think he was left to his own counsel. See what K.H. wrote to him:

TAKE courage. I am pleased with you. Keep your own counsel, and
believe in your better intuitions. The little man has failed and will
reap his reward. Silence meanwhile.

K.H.


(LETTERS FROM THE MASTERS OF THE WISDOM, First Series, Letter 50)


Pedro






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