Theos-Talk Archives (January 2005 Message tt00519)

Hi Krishtar,
I think you have got it in one brings back to mind HPBs comments in
the Key-

"To the mentally lazy or obtuse, Theosophy must remain a riddle; for
in the world mental as in the world spiritual each man must progress
by his own efforts. The writer cannot do the reader's thinking for
him, nor would the latter be any the better off if such vicarious
thought were possible."

Still I respect the right of people to share and discuss his books.
Its just a shame the right to critique him is not extended to those
theosophical students who have seen the absolute neccesity to
challenge some of his nonsense.

Perry



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" <krishtar_a@b...> wrote:
> Hi Friend
> Just a comment:
> I think probably there must be a very important reason for the Adyar
HQ to act this way.Not accessible for discussion.
> Maybe because people feel more indentified with CWLīs versions and
perhaps find easier to study his version of theosophy?
> And this facility on atracting more people to the society gives the
HQ an expressive good number of subscriptions and active members and
for this reason they decide to live it quiet?
> The reason may be just financial.
> His teachings are like sugar to ants.
> Another example:
> In Brazil spiritism is an ever growing religion just because their
proclamed beliefs are very easy to accept because the allan Kardec
books put a great inportance and santifies the life of suffering,
giving people a relief based on the creed of continuation of life from
where it stopped on earth.
> Most of Leadbeaterīs beliefs are based on his clairvoyant very
personal view of Theosophy and they atract more people just as the
instant-food atracts people who donīt like to cook.
> Rough example but it works.
> 
> Krishtar
> 
> PS.:A local curious example: The recent brasilian translation of the
book " A glimpse at the freemasonry history " by CWL under the
auspices had among other particularities an editorīs prologue as "
Leadbeater was inicitated by one of the major occultists of the
century, the remakable woman H P Blavatsky ".
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Perry Coles 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 2:54 AM
> Subject: Theos-World Why continue to challenge?
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> The reason I think this is an issue worthy of discussion on this list 
> is for the follow reasons.
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> Leadbeater's version of theosophy is still actively promoted in the 
> Adyar societies publications.
> His teachings are apparently not allowed to be compared critically 
> with the teachings of 
> H P.Blavatsky and her those given in the Mahatma letters in Adyar 
> theosophical journals and publications.
> 
> If this is the case it flies in the face of everything the society is 
> supposed to stand for.
> Namely freedom of enquiry and research for theosophical students.
> 
> This is an issue that will not go away until it is dealt with by the 
> Adyar Societies leaders.
> If the Society does not support this basic and fundamental principal 
> how can it claim to be upholding both the 3 objects and the freedom 
> of thought statement?
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> The issue for me is the principle of freedom of thought being upheld. 
> Let Leadbeater's teachings stand on there own merits why apparently 
> protect them from comparison?
> A dogma is a teaching that can't be challenged.
> Have Leadbeater's teachings assumed the status of dogma in the 
> society?
> It would seem so.
> 
> Leadbeater's shady personal life and history are issues that people 
> need to investigate and access for themselves and if these issues 
> can't be discussed here, where else?
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> There is no excuse for the blocking of commentary and comparison of 
> Leadbeaters teachings with those of the earlier teachings of 
> Blavatsky and the Mahatma letters however.
> 
> Still waiting for positive confirmation that this is not the case 
> officially from the society.
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> So far haven't heard a whisper.
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> Leadbeater may be dead and gone but his influence and teachings live 
> on and remain beyond the reach of any criticism in the society.
> Quite outrageous..... I find it hard to believe this situation is 
> just ignored and brushed under the carpet after all these 
> years......I am still flabbergasted by the whole scenario.
> 
> The big question for me is do I just drop it and forget about it 
> and 'get over it' as they say, or would that just a cop out on my 
> part???
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> The way of the bully (and the pedophile for that matter) is one of 
> disempowerment.
> A bully is a bully is a bully, passive aggressive or otherwise if I 
> give into the bully then I have to start dancing to his/her tune.
> Maybe I've answered my own question.
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> Perry
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