Theos-Talk Archives (January 2005 Message tt00238)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@y...> wrote:

> Here tis
> Cass


No, it isn't. The simple question was:

"can Theosophy evolve?"

It has now apparently disappeared into a vortex of absolutely 
relative opinions on the Absolute and the Relative, never to be seen 
again.

It was, obviously, an absolutely relative and irrelevant question. 
Like everything in this universe, the question for the new year had a 
very short life, but at leat it has shown how numerous the existing 
Absolutes and Relatives are there.


Pedro


  
> No, I was speaking about terms not being taken in a direct literal
> sense but instead making an attempt at understanding what is trying
> to be conveyed. To grasp a concept that lies beyond the literal
> word. I have no issue with the use of the word THAT in what you
> had stated. I understand the meaning behind it's usage. The same
> consideration can be taken in my usage of the word "view".
> 
> I was replying to the comments made of it's usage :
> "There is no such THING as THE Absolute. So how can we talk about it
> viewing or being viewed?"
> 
> This seems to be an example of not attempting to look and 
understand
> of what was trying to be conveyed, but taking a literal definition 
and 
> meaning
> of a term in which was not meant in the communication. One can 
speak in
> a manner of a metaphor and another condemn the usage of the words 
> because
> of taking the words in a direct literal sense instead of the 
meaning 
> behind
> the words in which was trying to be conveyed.
> If one does not understand what one is attempting to communicate, 
then
> one can ask what is meant, as this would be a response given in the 
> spirit
> of communication and sharing.
> 
> Individuals have different modes and ways of communicating and 
manners
> of speaking. I can not say I understand them all. Miscommunication 
and
> misunderstandings can occur. Askance versus assumption can be a
> method of maintaining more clarity when engaging in communication
> with another.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cass Silva" <silva_cass@y...>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 6:39 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World A Question for the New Year
> 
> 
> 
> Do you mean, THAT and NOT THAT?
> Cass
> 
> Zakk Duffany <zakkduffany@e...> wrote:
> 
> View does not mean a literal sight. A concept is a view. The 
Absolute 
> has no
> terms.
> One must take into consideration a direction of meaning from the 
use of
> words.
> It is like the word "THAT". "THAT" represents a "thing". The 
Absolute 
> is not
> a "thing".
> One goes beyond the literal meaning of "THAT" in order to grasp the 
> concept.
> "View" can also be taken in the same manner. One can substitute
> "relationship" for
> "view". As an example :
> 
> The Absolute is Relative in the relationship of the Relative.
> The Relative is Absolute in the relationship of the Absolute.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 3:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World A Question for the New Year
> 
> 
> 
> Right. There is no such THING as THE Absolute. So how can we talk 
about 
> it
> viewing or being viewed?
> 
> In a message dated 01/09/05 12:32:51 AM, silva_cass@y... writes:
> 
> Perhaps the only thing that is Absolute, is THAT beyond the zero 
point.
> PRALAYA?
> 
> 
> Zakk Duffany wrote:
> 
> 
> The Absolute is Relative when viewed by the Relative.
> 
> The Relative is Absolute when viewed by the Absolute.
> 
> 
> Perspectives change with the standpoint of viewing.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
> From:
> 
> To:
> 
> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 9:48 PM
> 
> Subject: Re: Theos-World A Question for the New Year
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 01/08/05 3:38:29 PM, krishtar_a@b... writes:
> 
> 
> >If the absolute evolves. it is not absolute.
> 
> >The absolute cannot evolve, or itīd be relative, and when there is
> 
> relativeness,
> 
> >we are not dealing with the absolute anymore.(qwack!)
> 
> >
> 
> >Krishtar
> 
> 
> But, "The Absolute is Relative, and the Relative is Absolute." 
Didn't 
> you
> 
> know that? It comes straught from the mouth of the Buddha, and was 
> verified
> 
> later by HPB.
> 
> 
> Leonardo
> 
> prmoliveira <prmoliveira@y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> What was the question?
> 
> 
> Pedro
> 
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