Theos-Talk Archives (December 2004 Message tt00051)

samblo@cs.com wrote:

<<Well, The climate of Nasca is ideal 
for the Nasca imprints as there is a 
consistent very low precipitation for 
quite a long time. However that is not a 
permanent condition and at certain 
periods the dryness was not continuous 
as it is today. There are studies on the 
Nasca Culture that separate them from 
ancient cultures. Maria Reich spent many 
years attempting to render an acceptable 
meaning to them, and as far as I know, 
never reached a final conclusion that 
was comprehensive, inclusive of all the 
elements and reviewed and accepted by 
her Peer Group.>>

John, but then if she didn't take into 
account possible links/ramifications 
between the civilizers (Virachoca, 
Kukulkan, Quetzalcoetl, etc) in ancient 
South America and Mexico and elsewhere, 
on the one hand, and the various Masters 
per the Esoteric/Theosophical Tradition 
throughout the ages, on the other hand, 
seems to me that her investigations 
(like the investigations of those who 
tend to approach such studies with 
rather orthodox notions, initial 
assumptions) might be found to be 
somewhat lacking in terms of other 
possible explanations, possibly by some 
students of Theosophy, eg.

<<I find them immensely stimulating 
myself as well as the more recent Crop 
Circles. Even the dedicated "experts" 
who study the Crop Circles also differ 
in what signification's they think are 
intimated by them, and there is no 
serious consideration by the Peer 
Academic Disciplines of Science.>>

Yes, and having recently read a three- 
quarter page article in the Toronto Star 
(Dec4/04, page A35) entitled "Scolars 
breathe 'fresh air,'" I tend to wonder 
about the direction that higher 
education, in general, is headed 
towards. Seems that Susan and Henry 
Giroux of Penn State University were, at 
one time, "leading lights" there as 
educators/scholars, but have moved to 
McMaster University in Canada.. I quote: 
<<... Giroux's belief that 
"dumbing-down and corporatization" is 
now at the centre of the U.S. 
governments agenda for education.>> In 
short, seems to me as if a number of 
adherents to orthodox views in 
archeology and the sciences are in many 
cases bowing or dumbing-down to various 
corporate and/or orthodox interests. 
And while some investigators may feel 
that they're independent, I suspect that 
in some cases their background education 
might have set them up with preconceived 
notions about history, in general, so 
that their invenstigations, in S.A., eg, 
might be biased and lacking in some sort 
of broader perspective as to what might 
have occurred, how, why. I tend to 
interpret Hancock's "Finger-prints of 
the Gods" as saying, in effect, that the 
various people in S.A. and Mexico who 
were taught in ancient times by the 
civilizers were basically rather 
backward, and I suspect that all or 
most of their apparently advanced 
culture (as might be seen reflected in 
calendars, buldings, etc) was inherited 
more or less intact from the earlier 
civilizers. I read that the civilizers 
at one point managed to stop the 
ongoing human sacrifices, eg, but 
apparently the sacrifices were resumed 
and intensified after those civilizers 
left. So I'm tending to suspect that 
there was much dumbing down in S.A. and 
Mexico before and after the civilizers, 
because of which I tend to view their 
(Mayan, Aztec, etc) interpretations with 
suspicion, one of those being the Mayan 
interpretation about the "end of the 
cycle" on Dec23/2012 (per the "Mayan 
calendar").

<<In the same vein today's modern 
Archeologists are unmoving and obdurate 
in placing Tiahuanaco at around 1095 AD, 
completely throwing out Posnansky's 20 
years of on site measurement and 
cataloguing so they can continue to 
maintain their accepted "Timeline" of 
cultures.>>

And according to Hancock the advances in 
culture and technology had occurred 
rapidly, in the space of a few years, as 
in the case of ancient Egypt and 
elsewhere. If one compares that kind of 
evolution with, eg, the evolution of the 
automobile, the differences become 
curious, don't you think ... In other 
words, the earlist writings and building 
techniques in ancient Egypt, SA and 
elsewhere seem to be, in many cases, 
apparently, far more advanced than the 
later ones. Seems to me as if the 
civilizers might have seen some sort of 
window of karmic opportunity to help the 
more backward races just after the 
previous cycle or major world 
catastrophe, but they then seem to have 
stepped back.

<< I am not quite sure how you mean 
"corporate" in your usage. >>

How about considerations about financial 
rewards and punishments ... Apparently 
there are people who have 
worries/concerns about how they can pay 
for their houses, cars, kid's tuition, 
etc. Apparently there are people who 
might tend to go along with whatever 
"corporate" or orthodox agenda might 
best help them financially or by way of 
whatever form of imagined prestige, even 
if dumbing down is required along the 
way. A positive angle on all that might 
be that least today's humans have made 
some advances in how human sacrifice is 
practiced ...

<<As far as elemental's, that too is 
unclear, I am sure some, especially 
those who advocate a Religious view may 
attribute the actions to some such as 
"elemental's" as a via to propose some 
negative connotation, but I do not think 
in my personal opinion that that is 
what, who, is the actual responsible 
party. >>

In case you missed it, I repeat, with 
additions: I've been under the 
impression that humans and elementals 
might, under certain circumstances, 
enter into certain co-operative efforts, 
but that elementals, on their own, might 
not be capable of producing typical crop 
circles, eg. As for "more important 
things to do" re Masters, I suspect that 
they would tend to have their hands 
tied, in effect, by karma, so that
(possibly ...) their efforts to help 
might be somewhat limited to various 
kinds of influences (such as by way of 
crop circles, possibly ...) that would 
not be counter to karmic allowances. Of 
course I don't know whether from the 
perspective of Masters (per linages such 
as KH and M, eg ...) the production of 
typical crop circles for the purpose of 
affecting humankind, in whatever 
sense, would be within karmic allowances 
(ie, whether such circles are
interpreted/reacted-to subliminally or 
otherwise).

<<Years ago, and also historically I saw 
the so called "Plasma Balls" some think 
make the crop circles and the 
circumstance was such that 
"communications" were in process of 
reception at that moment in time. They 
are not limited to crop circles and 
antedate crop circle activity. In the 
UFO community they are referred to as 
"Monitors" and I have seen them zipping 
around the outside of the "Communictors" 
home when he was giving the 
communication. Also the UFO case I was 
involved in for more than seven years 
had presentment of the Balls of Light, 
Orange in his case. They appeared quite 
a number of times and also on an 
occasion at the foot of his bed, 
beginning at about 18 inches in 
diameter, then expanding to a sphere 
large enough for a Person to take 
appearance within the sphere itself, 
that person spoke to him, or so he 
swears. I might add that he passed both 
Lie Detector and Voice Stress Analysis 
tests. Once when the "experiencer" was 
in a "rapport" state, due to my strong 
interest in just what the mysterious 
Balls of Light actually were, I directly 
asked "What are the Balls of Light?" I 
got a single word as the answer, 
"Distereoisomer," there is a branch of 
organic chemistry which involves with 
this that involves "Mirror Image" 
handedness of organic elements. But at 
any rate I find it ridiculous when 
scientists invent irrational 
rationality's to extrapolate an invented 
explanation for every thing under the 
sun. Clearly there is an "Intelligent 
Consciousness" that is the director of 
making Crop circles and not random 
Plasma descending from the troposphere 
to the ground level of a farm crop which 
then "composes" aesthetically organized 
Designs using the living plants. No, 
they will never run out of "creative" 
origination's to fixate and maintain the 
stasis of their mutual agreements, lol.
John >>

Seems to me that your last sentence 
there might be interpreted as a 
reference to an example of dumbing down 
and corporatizing.

Anyway, I figure that students of 
Theosophy might find Hancock's books 
interesting.

Speculatively,
Mauri