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Re: Theos-World re teachings/Masters today and in ancient Egypt, South Americ...

Dec 06, 2004 12:38 PM
by Mauri wrote:

<<Well, The climate of Nasca is ideal for the Nasca imprints as there is a consistent very low precipitation for quite a long time. However that is not a permanent condition and at certain periods the dryness was not continuous as it is today. There are studies on the Nasca Culture that separate them from ancient cultures. Maria Reich spent many years attempting to render an acceptable meaning to them, and as far as I know, never reached a final conclusion that was comprehensive, inclusive of all the elements and reviewed and accepted by her Peer Group.>>

John, but then if she didn't take into account possible links/ramifications between the civilizers (Virachoca, Kukulkan, Quetzalcoetl, etc) in ancient South America and Mexico and elsewhere, on the one hand, and the various Masters per the Esoteric/Theosophical Tradition throughout the ages, on the other hand, seems to me that her investigations (like the investigations of those who tend to approach such studies with rather orthodox notions, initial assumptions) might be found to be somewhat lacking in terms of other possible explanations, possibly by some students of Theosophy, eg.

<<I find them immensely stimulating myself as well as the more recent Crop Circles. Even the dedicated "experts" who study the Crop Circles also differ in what signification's they think are intimated by them, and there is no serious consideration by the Peer Academic Disciplines of Science.>>

Yes, and having recently read a three- quarter page article in the Toronto Star (Dec4/04, page A35) entitled "Scolars breathe 'fresh air,'" I tend to wonder about the direction that higher education, in general, is headed towards. Seems that Susan and Henry Giroux of Penn State University were, at one time, "leading lights" there as educators/scholars, but have moved to McMaster University in Canada.. I quote: <<... Giroux's belief that "dumbing-down and corporatization" is now at the centre of the U.S. governments agenda for education.>> In short, seems to me as if a number of adherents to orthodox views in archeology and the sciences are in many cases bowing or dumbing-down to various corporate and/or orthodox interests. And while some investigators may feel that they're independent, I suspect that in some cases their background education might have set them up with preconceived notions about history, in general, so that their invenstigations, in S.A., eg, might be biased and lacking in some sort of broader perspective as to what might have occurred, how, why. I tend to interpret Hancock's "Finger-prints of the Gods" as saying, in effect, that the various people in S.A. and Mexico who were taught in ancient times by the civilizers were basically rather backward, and I suspect that all or most of their apparently advanced culture (as might be seen reflected in calendars, buldings, etc) was inherited more or less intact from the earlier civilizers. I read that the civilizers at one point managed to stop the ongoing human sacrifices, eg, but apparently the sacrifices were resumed and intensified after those civilizers left. So I'm tending to suspect that there was much dumbing down in S.A. and Mexico before and after the civilizers, because of which I tend to view their (Mayan, Aztec, etc) interpretations with suspicion, one of those being the Mayan interpretation about the "end of the cycle" on Dec23/2012 (per the "Mayan calendar").

<<In the same vein today's modern Archeologists are unmoving and obdurate in placing Tiahuanaco at around 1095 AD, completely throwing out Posnansky's 20 years of on site measurement and cataloguing so they can continue to maintain their accepted "Timeline" of cultures.>>

And according to Hancock the advances in culture and technology had occurred rapidly, in the space of a few years, as in the case of ancient Egypt and elsewhere. If one compares that kind of evolution with, eg, the evolution of the automobile, the differences become curious, don't you think ... In other words, the earlist writings and building techniques in ancient Egypt, SA and elsewhere seem to be, in many cases, apparently, far more advanced than the later ones. Seems to me as if the civilizers might have seen some sort of window of karmic opportunity to help the more backward races just after the previous cycle or major world catastrophe, but they then seem to have stepped back.

<< I am not quite sure how you mean "corporate" in your usage. >>

How about considerations about financial rewards and punishments ... Apparently there are people who have worries/concerns about how they can pay for their houses, cars, kid's tuition, etc. Apparently there are people who might tend to go along with whatever "corporate" or orthodox agenda might best help them financially or by way of whatever form of imagined prestige, even if dumbing down is required along the way. A positive angle on all that might be that least today's humans have made some advances in how human sacrifice is practiced ...

<<As far as elemental's, that too is unclear, I am sure some, especially those who advocate a Religious view may attribute the actions to some such as "elemental's" as a via to propose some negative connotation, but I do not think in my personal opinion that that is what, who, is the actual responsible party. >>

In case you missed it, I repeat, with additions: I've been under the impression that humans and elementals might, under certain circumstances, enter into certain co-operative efforts, but that elementals, on their own, might not be capable of producing typical crop circles, eg. As for "more important things to do" re Masters, I suspect that they would tend to have their hands tied, in effect, by karma, so that
(possibly ...) their efforts to help might be somewhat limited to various kinds of influences (such as by way of crop circles, possibly ...) that would not be counter to karmic allowances. Of course I don't know whether from the perspective of Masters (per linages such as KH and M, eg ...) the production of typical crop circles for the purpose of affecting humankind, in whatever sense, would be within karmic allowances (ie, whether such circles are
interpreted/reacted-to subliminally or otherwise).

<<Years ago, and also historically I saw the so called "Plasma Balls" some think make the crop circles and the circumstance was such that "communications" were in process of reception at that moment in time. They are not limited to crop circles and antedate crop circle activity. In the UFO community they are referred to as "Monitors" and I have seen them zipping around the outside of the "Communictors" home when he was giving the communication. Also the UFO case I was involved in for more than seven years had presentment of the Balls of Light, Orange in his case. They appeared quite a number of times and also on an occasion at the foot of his bed, beginning at about 18 inches in diameter, then expanding to a sphere large enough for a Person to take appearance within the sphere itself, that person spoke to him, or so he swears. I might add that he passed both Lie Detector and Voice Stress Analysis tests. Once when the "experiencer" was in a "rapport" state, due to my strong interest in just what the mysterious Balls of Light actually were, I directly asked "What are the Balls of Light?" I got a single word as the answer, "Distereoisomer," there is a branch of organic chemistry which involves with this that involves "Mirror Image" handedness of organic elements. But at any rate I find it ridiculous when scientists invent irrational rationality's to extrapolate an invented explanation for every thing under the sun. Clearly there is an "Intelligent Consciousness" that is the director of making Crop circles and not random Plasma descending from the troposphere to the ground level of a farm crop which then "composes" aesthetically organized Designs using the living plants. No, they will never run out of "creative" origination's to fixate and maintain the stasis of their mutual agreements, lol.
John >>

Seems to me that your last sentence there might be interpreted as a reference to an example of dumbing down and corporatizing.

Anyway, I figure that students of Theosophy might find Hancock's books interesting.


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