Re: Theos-World Pedro on his "Difficulty" about use of concepts "Atma" and "S...
Nov 28, 2004 12:41 PM
Thank you, John, for this information. It is very interesting.
> Thanks for the extracts, I have run into interesting
information about the
> Jonangpa School which you show an extract from David Reigle. The
> this website asserts that the Jonangpa School never really
become "extinct" but
> that to the contrary continued to exist and today in our time has
> and 40 Monasteries. Even more interesting is a recounting of the
history of the
> suppression of the Jonangpa and others by the Gelugpa School that
> Political struggle involving outside "powers" of concern to the
> is a most interesting insight from the viewpoint of "operative
> action. As an apparent result of the Gelugpa suppression in that
time that was
> dedicated to the deflecting of Foreign influence by the ruling
power of China,
> later in our time the Chinese, who back then were a "protector" of
> and several other Schools centuries later invade and ravage Tibet
which in our
> time was fully in the control of the Gelugpa resulting in the
> to the outside world. I have never read this context before
> found it stimulating. With this new knowledge of the continued
existence of the
> Jonangpa School we might now perhaps be justified in expecting to
> actual translations of their Texts from the "horses mouth."
> Jonang Order
> Also, another nuance I recently have read is that of a unique
School in Tibet
> Called the "Rimed Movement, 1813-1899" this School revived
> and was not affiliated with any of the Classical Tibetan Orders or
> and was composed of individual Teachers who though independent
> respected by the Classical Orders of Tibet. This context made me
think about the
> Mahatma's and how they were said to have a unique reception and
respect by the
> prevailing Tibetan Orders yet were "independent" of them in
> There were three primary Founders of this movement:
> 1. Lodro Thaye (blo gros mtha' yas) 1813-1899
> 2. Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo (jam dbyangs mkyhen brtse'i dbang po)
> 3. Chogyur Dechen Lingpa (mchog 'gyur bde chen gling pa) 1829-1870
> They would have been contempory with Madam Blavatsky (1 & 2
> Are there any references to them or the rimed Movement any where
> Theosophical Archives?
> A current Rimed Teacher:
> namgyalgar-Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
> Another thing is the usage of the terms "Father-Mother" which is
seen in the
> Dzyan stanza's "Father-Mother spin a web,"
> two of the three Primary Tantra's are specifically and
> to as Father and Mother.
> "Within this scheme of anuttarayoga tantra:
> father tantra emphasizes illusory body practice,
> mother tantra emphasizes clear light practice,"
> I hope Reigle is reading these posts, maybe he can give us his
> as well as others on the Forum.
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