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Re: Theos-World Re: a(nother) Question for Pedro on Leadbeater

Sep 23, 2004 06:45 PM
by Morten N. Olesen

Hallo Pedro and all,

My views are:

The following are written out of care and compassion for the cause we all
belong to.
I do hope you will help us out, so we perhaps may be convinced to join your
groups teaching system,
If you know your views to be the right ones.

I think it to be a - quite important - and unsolved question to many whether
both Bailey and CWL should be made room for in the theosophical teachings on
an equal foot within TS or other groups .

The "inquisition" is not anything we theosophical seekers normally are
concerned with favorising.
But we are concerned in a friendly manner with those who are ignorant and
unwilling to learn,
and who inspite if this raises their voice in a manner which we find to be
if not against the
theosophical teachings - then at least problematic to themselves and their

It is not so much who is right or wrong in a debate here at theos-talk,
which is of major importance.
It is much more what fruits the readers including the participants gets from
such a debate.
As Blavatsky said, let us "be ready to recognise truth when it is proven."

May peace and love follow you vey step here at Theos-talk.


In all modesty I will try to raise the situation to an even higher level.

The Wise Theosophist

A wise Theosophist was once asked what a Theosophist was.
He said:
A Theosophist is one who is himself unfettered and who is innocent, in his
turn, of keeping others in bondage.
Theosophy cannot in reality be described in terms of doctrine nor in the
form of ceremonial. Doctrine needs coaching of a shallow kind; ritual needs
repetitious practise.
Theosophy is actually something which is IN creation, not something which is
applied to the results of creation.

In fact it can be said that the average Theosophist leads a superficial

*** What is true on one level is not true on another level ***
*** Better to quarrel with a friend than to support enemies. ***

M. Sufilight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "prmoliveira" <>
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Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 1:54 AM
Subject: Theos-World Re: a(nother) Question for Pedro on Leadbeater

> --- In, "Daniel H. Caldwell"
> <danielhcaldwell@y...> wrote:
> > But throughout Leadbeater's writings he makes innumerable
> > statements of his intimate knowledge of the Masters
> > and of his own personal contact and communication with the
> > Masters.
> > Pedro, I would suggest that the picture that one gets from the
> above
> > claims by Mrs. Besant and Mr. Leadbeater (as well as from his own
> > books) is, to say the least, quite different from how you describe
> > Mr. Leadbeater:
> >
> > "I think that, as an independent thinker, he was
> > presenting his own understanding of the original
> > teachings."
> > So if you are quite willing to state in clear cut terms
> > that ". . . many of her [Bailey's] claims contradict important
> > principles of Theosophy as presented by HPB and her
> > Teachers" I find it puzzling that you do not
> > express your opinion when asked about whether you believe
> > many of Leadbeater's teachings & claims contradict important
> > principles of Theosophy as presented by HPB and her
> > Teachers.
> Let me allow C.W. Leadbeater to answer:
> "Furthermore, I claim that it [the Theosophical teaching] is a fact
> which may be verified at first hand by any person who is willing to
> devote the time and trouble necessary to fit himself for the
> investigation. I am not offering to the reader a creed to be
> swallowed like a pill; I am trying to set before him a system to
> study, and above all, a life to live. I ask no blind faith from him;
> I simply suggest to him the consideration of the Theosophical
> teaching as a hypothesis, though to me it is no hypothesis, but a
> living fact."
> In the meantime, I'll meditate on Bill Meredith's recent post and
> its implications for my online karma:
> "Some regulars here seem anxious to pounce on any topic and quickly
> turn it into a relentless campaign to vindicate a particular
> understanding of theosophy. Rather than a genuine interest in a
> fellow human being's current understanding and a gentle exposition
> of one's own current understanding, a vocal few seem determined to
> win a debate at any and all costs. Only total surrender from their
> opponent appears to satisfy them. I think that this type of
> behaviour causes many list members to hold their views close lest
> they suddenly find themselves on the receiving end of an
> inquisition."
> Pedro
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