Theos-Talk Archives (September 2004 Message tt00639)

So Frank, Hitler and the Nazis were the good guys, right?


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, ringding777@t... wrote:
> Mmmhh, the title of the book "The Devil's Disciples" rather 
> indicates the questionable jesuitical source. Many leading 
> Nazi (does that refer to the Nazars or Nazorenes?) did not 
> believe in the church theology, therefore regarded Lucifer 
> as a benefecator. SS ideologist Otto Rahn used it even in 
> the title of one of his books, "Luzifers Hofgesind" 
> (something like Lucifers yard plebs, 1937), to ironically 
> draw how much the good and the evil things got mixed up 
> under Germany's century long death struggle with the church. 
> Blavatsky students know that HPB saw Lucifer also in a much 
> brighter light as the church does. The devil of the church 
> is the god of Theosophy and the god of the church is our 
> devil, as HPB expressed so unmistaken.
> 
> The fact that the book was a bestseller does not in any way 
> indicate that here is much truth in it. On the contrary, 
> many bestsellers contain not much truth.
> 
> If what Allies have found (millions of tons of government 
> documents) is from the devil, why do not England and USA 
> open their archives for international researchers after 60 
> years? On the contrary Maggie Thatcher signed as one of her 
> last transgressions that the Nazi documents remain top 
> secret for further 30 years. Or is the reason why the 
> establishment publishes every day more and more absurd fakes 
> that these hidden original documents do not proof what the 
> Allied propaganda tries to hypnotize into the minds of the 
> innocent masses to justify the horrible Allied atrocities 
> which prevent until now - and without the big H? American 
> historians who had access to the stolen German archives like 
> David Hoggan state they have searched millions of documents 
> and did not find any proof for any crime.
> 
> On the other hand we have the own words from Churchill, 
> Roosevelt and Stalin, how they had fun to order atrocities. 
> Sven Hedin (whom Gottfried de Purucker held in high regards) 
> was eyewitness when Churchill tried to fake newspaper 
> reports on the responsibility for the outbreak of WWII in 
> September 1939. The evening issue of a London paper which 
> reported the truth that Poland did not answered 20 
> altruistic peace offers from Berlin until the last minute 
> was censored, all reachable issues confiscated. But Hedin 
> was able to get an uncensored issue and report it to the 
> world.
> Frank
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "worlduni_news" <worlduni_news@y...>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 1:51 PM
> Subject: Theos-World On second tought, Re: Dear friend
> 
> 
> Don't really need to know where the quote is from as it is 
> obviously
> fiction, its simple not true. An easy to read book that 
> gives a more
> realistic picture about Himmler I'd say is The Devil's 
> Disciples:
> Hitler's Inner Circle by Anthony Read. It was published in 
> the UK
> 2003 and has been a bestseller.
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "worlduni_news"
> <worlduni_news@y...> wrote:
> > Reg."to try to attract their soul to reborn" sounds 
> > bizarre, where
> > did you see this quote ?
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Erica Letzerich
> <eletzerich@y...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear friend,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Himmler on his diary mentions that one of the practices 
> > > they
> were
> > doing is to send every new married soldier with his wife 
> > to make
> > love in the cemetery on the tombs of heroes (who have died 
> > in war)
> > to try to attract their soul to reborn. And you tell me 
> > they did
> not
> > have interest on occultism.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Erica
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > worlduni_news <worlduni_news@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Well Himmler liked the Bhagavad Gita, but that didn't 
> > > make him
> an
> > > occultist. Although he did belong to what is generally 
> > > called
> the
> > > Paganists among the Nazi's, few in number.
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Erica Letzerich
> > > wrote:
> > > > Dear friend,
> > > >
> > > > What are you saying Hitler hated the occult? Try to 
> > > > read
> > Himmler's
> > > diary. I am not discussing the status of Hitler 
> > > everybody knows
> he
> > > was a NAZI.
> > > >
> > > > Erica
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > worlduni_news wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hitler was a Nazi, not a Fascist . Hitler hated the 
> > > > occult and
> > > > equaled it to 'Jewish'.
> > > >
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Erica Letzerich"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > I really found some informations here and there, 
> > > > > that are
> > > > difficult to build up a conclusion without knowing the 
> > > > truth
> > > about it. Did
> > > > > Geoffrey Hodson made any description about Hitler's 
> > > > > aura?
> For
> > > sure
> > > > > if so such material is not availeable.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think the important fact inspite to find some 
> > > > > shadows here
> > and
> > > > > there are the objects that the T.S. stand for. And 
> > > > > there are
> > > some
> > > > > clear misunderstanding. When I read the biography of 
> > > > > John
> > Coalts
> > > > he
> > > > > describes the terror they have lived in London 
> > > > > during the
> > second
> > > > > World war, also he express his great admiration to 
> > > > > Arundale.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway read the below:
> > > > >
> > > > > "In Germany, soon after Hitler seized power, the 
> > > > > liberal
> > > political
> > > > > parties became illegal. So did Theosophy, four years 
> > > > > later.
> In
> > > the
> > > > > meantime, The Theosophist monthly had published
> Jinarajadasa's
> > > > > denunciation of persecution of Jews; but also praise 
> > > > > by the
> > 1934-
> > > > > 1945 President George Arundale of Hitler; and an
> enthusiastic
> > > > > paranormal description by A non-German theosophist' 
> > > > > [G.
> > Hodson?]
> > > > of
> > > > > the 'purity' of the Führer's beautiful aura.13)"
> > > > >
> > > > > 13) The Theosophist, May 1936, 242. Nazi propaganda 
> > > > > posters
> > also
> > > > > often depicted Hitler with an aura around his head; 
> > > > > Albrecht
> > W.
> > > > > Thöne, Das Licht der Arier. Licht-, Feuer- und
> Dunkelsymbolik
> > > des
> > > > > Nationalsozialismus. München: Minerva, 1979, 35.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.stelling.nl/simpos/libetheo.htm#11
> > > > >
> > > > > Erica
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "worlduni_news"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Initially Evola was critical of the Fascist regime 
> > > > > > because
> > it
> > > > was
> > > > > > not fascist enough. In 1927, In his book about 
> > > > > > paganism
> > > > > > (Imperialismo pagano), was critical of the Fascist 
> > > > > > regime
> > > > because
> > > > > it
> > > > > > was not fascist enough. As a Theosophist he was 
> > > > > > critical
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > Catholic Church, which in contrast Mussolini 
> > > > > > accepted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > H. T. Hansen,in "Julius Evola's Political 
> > > > > > Endeavors,"
> writes
> > > > how
> > > > > > Evola next turned to the SS And was invited by 
> > > > > > Himmler to
> > give
> > > a
> > > > > > lecture at Wewelsburg where Evola (who wanted 
> > > > > > Italy to
> join
> > > > > > the `Reich' proposed a new branch German/Italian 
> > > > > > SS
> > organized
> > > > as
> > > > > a
> > > > > > secret initiatic society.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > See also "Hitler,Buddha,Krishna" (although I do 
> > > > > > not agree
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > > authors complete missunderstanding of the Dailai 
> > > > > > Lama and
> > > > Tantric
> > > > > > Buddhism), they did not leave a single archive in 
> > > > > > Germany
> > > > > unturned.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mussoline was willing to embrace the "spiritual" 
> > > > > > version
> of
> > > > root
> > > > > > races and reincarnation, and he paid for Evola to 
> > > > > > go to
> > > Germany
> > > > to
> > > > > > preach this doctrine after having Evola's book 
> > > > > > about this
> > > > > translated
> > > > > > in German.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After WWII Evola supported terrorist groups 
> > > > > > stating that
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > > right spiritual attitude called `Holy War';
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1404/djihad.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also check Girogio Freda who after scattering 
> > > > > > Evola's
> ashes
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > Italian Alps, continued to advance Evola's ideas 
> > > > > > by
> founding
> > > > > > several organizations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Drpsionic@a... 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > In a message dated 9/21/04 8:15:29 AM Central 
> > > > > > > Daylight
> > Time,
> > > > > > > eletzerich@y... writes:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > << So we have a heretic witness. :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Erica >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes you do. And what is interesting is the fact 
> > > > > > > that
> while
> > > > > > fascist Italy was
> > > > > > > adored by those in the TS who did not have to 
> > > > > > > live under
> > it,
> > > > > > fascism was
> > > > > > > abhored by those who had direct experience with 
> > > > > > > it, as
> > Pedro
> > > > has
> > > > > > ably pointed out.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Chuck the heretic
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "worlduni_news"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Initially Evola was critical of the Fascist regime 
> > > > > > because
> > it
> > > > was
> > > > > > not fascist enough. In 1927, In his book about 
> > > > > > paganism
> > > > > > (Imperialismo pagano), was critical of the Fascist 
> > > > > > regime
> > > > because
> > > > > it
> > > > > > was not fascist enough. As a Theosophist he was 
> > > > > > critical
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > Catholic Church, which in contrast Mussolini 
> > > > > > accepted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > H. T. Hansen,in "Julius Evola's Political 
> > > > > > Endeavors,"
> writes
> > > > how
> > > > > > Evola next turned to the SS And was invited by 
> > > > > > Himmler to
> > give
> > > a
> > > > > > lecture at Wewelsburg where Evola (who wanted 
> > > > > > Italy to
> join
> > > > > > the `Reich' proposed a new branch German/Italian 
> > > > > > SS
> > organized
> > > > as
> > > > > a
> > > > > > secret initiatic society.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > See also "Hitler,Buddha,Krishna" (although I do 
> > > > > > not agree
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > > authors complete missunderstanding of the Dailai 
> > > > > > Lama and
> > > > Tantric
> > > > > > Buddhism), they did not leave a single archive in 
> > > > > > Germany
> > > > > unturned.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mussoline was willing to embrace the "spiritual" 
> > > > > > version
> of
> > > > root
> > > > > > races and reincarnation, and he paid for Evola to 
> > > > > > go to
> > > Germany
> > > > to
> > > > > > preach this doctrine after having Evola's book 
> > > > > > about this
> > > > > translated
> > > > > > in German.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After WWII Evola supported terrorist groups 
> > > > > > stating that
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > > right spiritual attitude called `Holy War';
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1404/djihad.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also check Girogio Freda who after scattering 
> > > > > > Evola's
> ashes
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > Italian Alps, continued to advance Evola's ideas 
> > > > > > by
> founding
> > > > > > several organizations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Drpsionic@a... 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > In a message dated 9/21/04 8:15:29 AM Central 
> > > > > > > Daylight
> > Time,
> > > > > > > eletzerich@y... writes:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > << So we have a heretic witness. :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Erica >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes you do. And what is interesting is the fact 
> > > > > > > that
> while
> > > > > > fascist Italy was
> > > > > > > adored by those in the TS who did not have to 
> > > > > > > live under
> > it,
> > > > > > fascism was
> > > > > > > abhored by those who had direct experience with 
> > > > > > > it, as
> > Pedro
> > > > has
> > > > > > ably pointed out.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Chuck the heretic
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > Erica Letzerich .'.
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