Theos-Talk Archives (September 2004 Message tt00129)

Hallo Daniel and all,

My views are:

I say so, Because the Masters are very closely
in contact with those, who are on the Path
or those who interfers with the Path of this planet.
In fact more communication of a quite subtle nature takes place
between the Masters and us humans than many people are aware of.
This subtle communication are many of the individuals even not aware of
themselves.
That may sound strange, but it is true.
The Masters are really truely compassionate even if some think they are not.
But, a lot of wrong assumptions about what communication really actually is
coming from the Masters are also taking place. Especially when we talk about
so-called selfstyled Master channels.

If we talk about "directly being in contact with", then parhaps
only some of them were in such a contact with the Masters.
But "just in contact with" will cover all of them as far as understand that
word.
Chelas often acts as intermediaries between the Masters contact with an
individual.
So they were in contact no doubt about that seen from my point of view -
which are based of my spiritual experiences. Even if the contact only seemed
to were of a minor kind.

But is the question you pose important?
No, I don't think it to be quite so.
Why do you ask, and why do you want to know?
Are your question based on a compassiontae search and will any answer on
this forum yield a useful result?
Not many actually truely Knows about these things even at this forum.
Some believe, but that is not real knowledge.

Well these were only my views based on my experiences with the Path.

M. Sufilight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel H. Caldwell" <danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 5:01 PM
Subject: Theos-World Morten on Contact with the Masters


Morten,

You wrote:

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The word "contact" meaning what?

If just in "contact" with.
Then I would without any hesitation say ALL of them.
And this i Knowledge, although some of you would question this.

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"Contact" as in "communication".

Are you saying that you believe without hesitation
that ALL these persons listed below were in contact
or in communication with H.P.B.'s Masters?

Why all of them?

In 1884 A.P. Sinnett believed he was in
contact or communication with Master K.H.
thru Mrs. Laura Holloway.

Sinnett wrote:

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Mrs. Holloway, a wonderfully gifted American psychic came to stay
with us. . . . .She used to get vivid clairvoyant visions of the
Master, - could pass on messages to me from K.H. and on one occasion
he actually made use of her to speak to me in the first person."

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Yet in a letter to Sinnett, Master KH wrote:

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You ask me if you can tell Miss Arundale what I told you thro'
Mrs. H[olloway]. . . . . .[But] I have never . . . communicated with
you or any one else thro' her. . . . . She is an excellent but quite
undeveloped clairvoyante.

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And Master KH wrote to Mrs. Holloway herself:

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Your vivid creative fancy [imagination] evokes illusive Gurus and
chelas, and puts into their mouths words coined the instant before in
the mint of your mind, unknown to yourself. The false appear as real,
as the true, and you have no exact method of detection since you are
yet prone to force your communications to agree with your
preconceptions. . . .

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Again Sinnett wrote:

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On the 26th of April 1886. . . we went . . . to the Albemarle
Club . . . to meet a lady who was . . . desirous of making my
acquaintance . . . . . I will give her a fictitious name and call her
Mary. . . . shortly afterwards I tried a mesmeric experiment with her
(in accordance with her wish) and obtained remarkable results - she
went very easily into a trance in which she became unequivocally
clairvoyant. . . .I became convinced that she clairvoyantly saw the
mountain region in Tibet where the Master K.H. resided. . . . . It
became obvious that Mary might become a link between myself and the
Master. . . . . Mary came to stay with us . . . in February 1888 and
our regular mesmeric sittings were resumed almost every evening, the
Master [KH] talking to me through her in most cases. In this way I
gathered a great deal of miscellaneous occult information. . . . .
Mary left us to go to her own home in May 1888 having had mesmeric
sitting almost every evening while she was with us, at most of which
the Master spoke to me, - or rather dictated to her what he wished to
say. She would pass into a higher condition in which she could be in
touch with him and be enabled to repeat his words to her in reply to
my questions or remarks.

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For a second time Master KH in a letter (dated August 22, 1888) to
Colonel Henry S. Olcott denied Sinnett's claim:

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Since 1885 I have not written, nor caused to be written save thro'
her [HPB's] agency, direct or remote, a letter or line to anybody in
Europe or America, nor communicated orally with, or thro' any third
party. Theosophists should learn it. You will understand later the
significance of this declaration so keep it in mind. Her [HPB's]
fidelity to our work being constant, and her sufferings having come
upon her thro' it, neither I nor either of my Brother associates will
desert or supplant her.

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Therefore is it not likely that at least in some of these
claims after HPB's death, the individuals involved were simply
victims of their own "surexcited fancy"?

Their "vivid creative fancy" evoked "illusive Gurus" and put into
their mouths [the imaginary Gurus or Masters] words coined the
instant before in the mint of their own minds.

Morten, again here is another case in which KH wrote very
illuminating remarks.

Stainton Moses (a famous English medium and "seer" of the 1870s and
1880s) wrote to A.P. Sinnett about his own "spirit guide" Imperator:

". . . my inner spirit-sense is opened. Only yesterday . . .
Imper[ator] . . . was clearly visible and audible to me. . . . "

To this comment by Stainton Moses [S.M.], Master Koot Hoomi wrote to
Sinnett:

". . . So is Jesus and John the Baptist [clearly visible and audible]
to Edward Maitland; [who is] as true and as honest and sincere as
S.M. . . . And does not E. Maitland see Hermes the first and second
and Elijah, etc. Finally does not Mrs. [Anna] Kingsford feel as sure
as S.M. with regard to . . . [Imperator] that she saw and conversed
with God!! . . . And who purer or more truthful than that woman or
Maitland! Mystery, mystery will you exclaim. IGNORANCE we answer; the
creation of that we believe in and want to see. . . . "

And in another letter to Sinnett, the Mahatma KH wrote:

"Vainly do your modern seers and their prophetesses, creep into every
cleft and crevice without outlet or continuity they chance to see;
and still more vainly, when once within do they lift up their voices
and loudly cry: 'Eureka! We have gotten a revelation from the Lord!'
[or the Masters?, or the Lord Maitreya?, or THE SUPREME DIRECTOR
OF EVOLUTION ON THIS GLOBE????] -for verily have they nothing of
the kind. They have disturbed but bats, less blind their intruders;
who, feeling them flying about, mistake them as often for angels
- as they too have wings! . . . "

Of course, there are those who don't believe even in the reality
of HPB's own Masters and of her own claims to be in contact with
them, but I am assuming you do not hold that particular view.

Daniel
http://hpb.cc


> From: "Daniel H. Caldwell" <danielhcaldwell@y...>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 3:29 AM
> Subject: Theos-World To Pedro & Anand: Serious Questions with
Profound
> Implications
>
>
> > There are numerous individuals, besides Annie
> > Besant & C.W. Leadbeater, who claimed they
> > were ALSO in contact with H.P. Blavatsky's Masters.
> >
> > I give BELOW a partial listing including the
> > most prominent claimants.
> >
> > Do either one of you believe that ALL of
> > these individuals were actually in contact with
> > the Masters?
> >
> > And if your answer is "No" then could you
> > please share with the Theos-Talk audience
> > your reasons for accepting the claims of
> > some while rejecting the claims of others.
> >
> > Daniel
> > http://hpb.cc
> >
> > ===============================================
> >
> > Since HPB's death in 1891, NUMEROUS individuals
> > have claimed contact with her Masters, stating
> > that they were new "messengers" conveying further
> > esoteric teachings.
> >
> > (1) William Q. Judge said he was in contact with HPB's Master
Morya
> > as well as the deceased HPB. Judge claimed he precipitated
letters
> > from Master M. and gave out further esoteric teachings.
> >
> > (2) Annie Besant and Charles Leadbeater affirmed that they were in
> > direct communication with HPB's Masters and the deceased HPB.
They
> > gave out various Theosophical teachings in their voluminous
writings.
> >
> > (3) Katherine Tingley, the occult successor of Judge, said she
was in
> > contact with HPB's Masters and claimed to have met on at least two
> > occasions the Master Morya in his physical body.
> >
> > (4) G. de Purucker, Tingley's successor, testified that the
Masters
> > M. & K.H. came to visit him in 1929 at Theosophical Society
> > headquarters, Point Loma, San Diego, California. Purucker claimed
> > that he was allowed to give out deeper esoteric teachings than
HPB,
> > Judge or Tingley had.
> >
> > (5) Alice Bailey said she was in contact with Masters K.H. and D.K
> > and wrote more than 20 volumes of teachings said to be from D.K.
She
> > even gave out further installments of the Stanzas of Dzyan.
> >
> > (6) Mrs. Francia A. La Due (of the Temple of the People) gave out
> > messages from the Masters, especially from Hilarion. She also
> > published more Stanzas from the Book of Dzyan.
> >
> > (7) Guy Ballard (of the "I Am" Movement) claimed to be in
> > communication with the Masters, especially St. Germain.
> >
> > (8) Helena Roerich (of the Agni Yoga Society) published some 13
> > volumes of communications supposedly from the Master Morya.
> >
> > (9) Mark Prophet and his wife Elizabeth Clare (of the Church
> > Universal and Triumphant) claimed to be the emissaries of the
Great
> > White Brotherhood and have channeled thousands of messages from El
> > Morya, Kut Humi, the Virgin Mary, Hercules, Chastity and a
variety of
> > other Masters and entities.
> >
> > (10) Earlyne Chaney (of Astara) believed she was in communication
> > with Kut-Hi-Mi and Zoser and other Masters of the Great White
> > Brotherhood. She has given out various so-called esoteric and
occult
> > teachings.
> >
> > (11) Nada-Yolanda (of Mark-Age, Inc) has channeled numerous
messages
> > from M., K.H., and others Masters associated with UFOs.
> >
> > (12) Max Heindel, Rudolf Steiner and Geoffrey Hodson have claimed
> > clairvoyant powers and to be in contact with various Masters -
> > Rosicrucian, Theosophical or otherwise.
> >
> > (13) Other supposed communications from HPB's Masters have come
from
> > Brother Philip in his book titled Secret of the Andes, from Cyril
> > Scott in his series of books starting with The Initiate, and from
> > David Anrias in his book Through the Eyes of the Masters.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >




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