Re: No reply to Bill Meredith's Excellent Post
Sep 03, 2004 10:39 AM
by Perry Coles
Hi Bill and all.
Just a couple of thoughts and a few quotes to speculate on this
"Now, an entity, that is passing through the occult training in its
successive births, gradually has less and less (in each incarnation)
of that lower Manas until there arrives a time when its whole Manas,
being of an entirely elevated character, is centered in the higher
individuality, when such a person may be said to have become a
Regarding the Mahatma's and their "Chiefs" the way I understand
what is presented is the Mahatmas belong to an Occult order.
According to theosophical teachings as presented by HPB and her
teachers the Cosmos is hierarchical .
This hierarchy (I once heard Ken Wilber describe as a Whole-archy)
is simply different levels of cosciousness and awareness
I also heard the Occult Hierarchy described as different levels of
responsibility rather than 'superiority' in the ordinary sense.
Beings serving in different roles and functions.
With knowledge inevitably comes power and with Occult knowledge
comes Occult power.
If knowledge is misused it becomes dangerous both oneself and to
We are told that with the light the shadow follows with equal
Until a certain degree of initiation is reached we can "fall" and
instead of manifesting Cosmic Harmony, work against that process.
My understanding is Evolution is ongoing even the Chohans are an
As are the `highest' planetary spirits...
The Secret doctrine speaks of this Solar manvantara only in our
dimention of consciousness.
My understanding is there are different degrees of Adept, Manas
being the principle to be fully Self realised at our human stage.
The Mahatmas apparently slowed down their own progress and also
would be karmically accountable for the information they released as
this information is power bestowing, it can fall either side good or
The Mahatma saying "the less such "idiots" hear of our teachings the
better in relation to the said quote.
To me was out of concern for humanity as a whole as misuse of the
powers that could and can be developed without the necessary ethical
development could do more harm than good.
This also ties in with why HPB kept warning of the dangers
of "disfigured teachings" that encourage reckless development of
psychic abilities used for selfish ends only.
The passage below to me is related to the reason the Mahatma's did
not want to encourage blind following or worship of gods of any kind
as that would be the opposite to what they were hoping would result
from the release of this information.
"Faith in the Gods and God, and other superstitions attracts
millions of foreign influences, living entities and powerful agents
around them, with which we would have to use more than ordinary
exercise of power to drive them away. We do not choose to do so. We
do not find it either necessary or profitable to lose our time
waging war to the unprogressed Planetaries who delight in
personating gods and sometimes well known characters who have lived
on earth. There are Dhyan-Chohans and "Chohans of Darkness," not
what they term devils but imperfect "Intelligences" who have never
been born on this or any other earth or sphere no more than
the "Dhyan Chohans" have and who will never belong to the "builders
of the Universe," the pure Planetary Intelligences, who preside at
every Manvantara while the Dark Chohans preside at the Pralayas.
Explain this to Mr. Sinnett (I CAN'T) -- tell him to read over what
I said to them in the few things I have explained to Mr. Hume; and
let him remember that as all in this universe is contrast (I cannot
translate it better) so the light of the Dhyan Chohans and their
pure intelligence is contrasted by the "Ma-Mo Chohans" -- and their
destructive intelligence. These are the gods the Hindus and
Christians and Mahomed and all others of bigoted religions and sects
worship; and so long as their influence is upon their devotees we
would no more think of associating with or counteracting them in
their work than we do the Red-Caps on earth whose evil results we
try to palliate but whose work we have no right to meddle with so
long as they do not cross our path. (You will not understand this, I
suppose. But think well over it and you will. M. means here, that
they have no right or even power to go against the natural or that
work which is prescribed to each class of beings or existing things
by the law of nature. The Brothers, for instance could prolong life
but they could not destroy death, not even for themselves. They can
to a degree palliate evil and relieve suffering; they could not
destroy evil. No more can the Dhyan Chohans impede the work of the
Mamo Chohans, for their Law is darkness, ignorance, destruction
etc., as that of the former is Light, knowledge and creation. The
Dhyan Chohans answer to Buddh, Divine Wisdom and Life in blissful
knowledge, and the Ma-mos are the personification in nature of
Shiva, Jehovah and other invented monsters with Ignorance at their
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Daniel H. Caldwell"
> Bill wrote a post on July 27 which can be read at:
> I thought he brought up some good issues and was hoping
> that a few readers might pursue these issues
> in greater detail on this forum but as far as I know,
> no one even said "boo" about Bill's points.
> I call attention again to his post and the
> points he made.
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