Theos-Talk Archives (July 2004 Message tt00072)

The best punishment for Bush would be that he reincarnates as an Iraqi, in
his next birth, who is self possesive. This fellow will think of the present
Bush as a villain and feel bad about the way Iraqis are treated today.

-----Original Message-----
From: stevestubbs [mailto:stevestubbs@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 7:50 PM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World The Trial


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@c...>
wrote:
> most
> mericans don't read much, are amazingly uninformed about current
> events, history (our own and other countries), and about other
cultures.

Most people from other countries, too, from what I have seen.

> I have even read studies showing that a significant number of
Americans
> are unable to even find Iraq and Iran on a map.

Most high school students cannot find their own country on a map.

> Most people get their
> news from television. However, most so?called news casters, such
as
> Geraldo Riviera and Rush Limbaugh are really entertainers

I have noticed listening to the radio that most conservatives who
call in to express an opinion sound amazingly alike, even though they
are different people. Not that they have internalized the same
opinions, but that they SOUND alike. Then a commentator pointed out
that many of these people get ALL their information about the world
from Rush Limbaugh and I figured out they BECOME Rush Limbaugh.

> According to the afore mentioned Pelletiere document, which the US
> government did not want to be made public, the Kurds
were "collateral
> damage" in a battle between Iranian and Iraqi forces. In other
words,
> regardless of who dropped the gas bombs, the Kurds were not the
targets.

I don't believe that is true, since there is evidence Chemical Ali
targeted them deliberately. What remains to be proved is whether
Saddam ordered it or was criminally complicit. Not whether he was,
but whether it can be proved in a court of law, which are two
different things. Nobody would have been able to prove Hitler
ordered the Holocaust had he survived the war, because he took care
not to sign a single order the whole time he was chancellor. So we
shall see how clever Saddam was or was not.

> Do you know where we can find documentation of US experimentation,
> development and use of chemical and biological weapons?

I did not seek the information out, but saw a number of documentaries
on the subject over a period of a lifetime. It is well known that
soldiers were ordered to stand in the way of atomic radiation so
scientists could study the effects of radiation poisoning despite the
fact there were hundreds of thousands of people dying from radiation
poisoning in Japan. It is also well known that American blacks were
in an experiment infected with syphilis and denied treatment so
scientists could watch them go insane and then die. In other
experiments people have been injected with chemical agents and in one
a quantity of nerve gas was released downwind from a small western
town. The wind changed direction with the result a few sheep were
killed and no people. The experiment was never repeated. Human
malice was surely at the bottom of the Bhopal, India incident in
which chemical agents were released from a Union Carbide plant,
although it appears in this case Indian technicians were the cause.
The plant was designed with so many safeguards that it was impossible
for this to happen by accident.

There is no way we can legitimize vivisection (torturing small
animals to death) and expect that no one is going to want to
experiment on humans. So I would say Anna Kingsford was right on
that one. If it is OK for people to amuse themselves torturing and
killing other species, they are inevitably going to turn on the rest
of us as well. The eviddnce also disproves the assumption that
malice is somehow confined to certain geographical areas and
mysteriously absent from others. Wherever you live in the world, the
problem is next door.

It has been reported that Internet entrepreneurs offer gene splicing
kits which can be used nu enterprising individuals to design their
own viruses. According to the scientist who described this, someone
who knows how could design a virus which will make Ebola look like a
skin rash. Terrorists all over the world are working on this.
Clinton said when he was President they caught some guy in Arizona
doing it, not as government agent but malicious private citizen.

The technical problems with nuclear and biological agents make it
likely the next nuclear war will be started by a state and not by
terrorists and that it will occur in SW Asia. I have nothing against
Pakistan, but everyone who lives in that area should be nervous that
these weapons are in the hands of jihadists who are sworn to die
killing the infidel and who are moreover selling them to anyone who
wants them (Libya, North Korea, Iran, etc.) It is just a matter of
time before Bombay and Bangalore are vaporized. It is noteworthy
that Canada, Argentina, and Brazil all renounced the use of these
weapons and discontinued their development programs.

As for bio weapons, it appears not even states can figure out how to
sicken vast populations. The character who released anthraz into the
environment a few years ago killed only a couple of people, despite
having high quality product which reportedly must have come from a
government lab and despite the fact anthrax is the easiest agent with
which to work.

Nobody knows yet whether Halliburton (Halliburton Dick Cheney's
company) had anything to do with it or not, but it is now reported
thousands of millions of dollars appear to have been stolen from
Iraq. Why am I not surprised? I always thought that was the purpose
of the war in the first place.





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