RE: Theos-World [bn-study] Re: Divine Wind
Apr 29, 2004 01:49 PM
by Dallas TenBroeck
Thursday, April 29, 2004
Dear A:
There are as I see it in THEOSOPHY two laws operating:
1. Karma of the individual which faces him with the decision to kill or
not to kill. Some who believe in peace have adopted "CONSCIENTIOUS
OBJECTION and have taken the subsequent martyrdom of ostracism, torture or
worse -- even death.
2 All decisions are choices and even "going with the flow" does not
relieve anyone from Karmic consequences.
The strength we need to gain is that which refuses to hurt or harm anyone no
matter hat the provocation.
Best wishes,
Dallas
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-----Original Message-----
From: ali_
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 2:30 PM
To:
Subject: [bn-study] Re: Divine Wind
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@e...>
wrote:
> Wednesday, April 28, 2004
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Etzion B
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 10:58 AM
> To: study@b...
> Subject: [bn-study] Re: Divine Wind
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>
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> What I have learnt, is when a person kills another person, he takes
upon
> himself the sanskaras/impressions of that person. Presumably, the
*victim*
> is the real winner here, bacause his karmic burden has been
lessened, while
> the karmic burden of the killer grew. A person who kills in order to
protect
> another person or his country, and doing it without any trace of
anger, can
> help the other side to lessen its karmic burden, while he himself
don't
> contract any further karma. This is very rare. I of course, don't
know the
> personal fate of those Japanese pilots. They were ordered to do so,
they
> were not volunteers. The burden in such a case, falls on the heads
of those
> who gave the orders. Etzion
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
>
> From: L.R. <mailto:liberty722980@y...> Andrews
>
> To: study@b...
>
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 7:41 PM
>
> Subject: [bn-study] Divine Wind
>
>
>
> Dear Friends,
>
>
>
> With regard to suicide and its consequences in the hereafter, would
for
> example a Kami Kaze (Divine Wind) pilot who deliberately crashed his
> aircraft into an enemy ship, necessarily be in torment after death
because
> he "committed suicide?" It would seem that many if not most of the
Japanese
> suicide pilots of World War II had the noblest of intentions when
they
> unselfishly gave up their lives for their homeland.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your comments,
>
>
>
> L.R.
>
Cases of war are special circumstances. From what I understand, they
involve group (national) karma as well as individual karma. A person
like the kamikaze pilots who sacrificed his life willingly believing
it to be in defense of his homeland would not suffer ill karmic
effects.
As HPB mentions, motive is EVERYTHING, even supplanting belief. So,
if these men drove their planes in a rage of hatred for the Americans,
their afterlife would be more difficult. There are, to this day, a few
entitities from that war still working out their intense feelings
close to the physical plane.
A person in a war scenario who sacrifices his life by throwing his
body on a grenade to save his comrades goes into a very high state,
afaik. He has put his own individual survival aside for his fellow
man.
Case in point: Twin Towers attacks- a scenario for your
consideration:
The victims on the planes, in the buildings, etc, were, generally
speaking, ushered into their devachan state, being energetically
shielded from the excruciating effects of emotional relationships of
grieving survivors, etc. Once one is out of the physical, yet still
connected to this plane, the intensity of those feelings can be
devastating.
The suicide bombers went to a different state of existence- one of
intense fury, anguish- no 90 virgins awaiting them, but severe
emotional replaying of their last hour(s), remorse, etc.
The firemen and rescue volunteers who went into the building
selflessly with no thought of their own personal safety, and
subsequently gave up their lives for others; were ushered up that
evening in a wonderful pillar of Light that formed over Manhattan to
their atmic Oneness...and beyond.
regards-
Ali
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