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[bn-study] Re: Divine Wind

Apr 28, 2004 02:31 PM
by ali_haq_hassan


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@e...> 
wrote:


> Wednesday, April 28, 2004





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> -----Original Message-----


> From: Etzion B


> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 10:58 AM


> To: study@b...


> Subject: [bn-study] Re: Divine Wind


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> What I have learnt, is when a person kills another person, he takes 
upon


> himself the sanskaras/impressions of that person. Presumably, the 
*victim*


> is the real winner here, bacause his karmic burden has been 
lessened, while


> the karmic burden of the killer grew. A person who kills in order to 
protect


> another person or his country, and doing it without any trace of 
anger, can


> help the other side to lessen its karmic burden, while he himself 
don't


> contract any further karma. This is very rare. I of course, don't 
know the


> personal fate of those Japanese pilots. They were ordered to do so, 
they


> were not volunteers. The burden in such a case, falls on the heads 
of those


> who gave the orders. Etzion


> 


> ----- Original Message ----- 


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> 


> 


> From: L.R. <mailto:liberty722980@y...> Andrews 


> 


> To: study@b... 


> 


> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 7:41 PM


> 


> Subject: [bn-study] Divine Wind


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> 


> Dear Friends,


> 


> 


> 


> With regard to suicide and its consequences in the hereafter, would 
for


> example a Kami Kaze (Divine Wind) pilot who deliberately crashed his


> aircraft into an enemy ship, necessarily be in torment after death 
because


> he "committed suicide?" It would seem that many if not most of the 
Japanese


> suicide pilots of World War II had the noblest of intentions when 
they


> unselfishly gave up their lives for their homeland.


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> Thanks for your comments,


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> 


> L.R.


> 





Cases of war are special circumstances. From what I understand, they 
involve group (national) karma as well as individual karma. A person 
like the kamikaze pilots who sacrificed his life willingly believing 
it to be in defense of his homeland would not suffer ill karmic 
effects.


As HPB mentions, motive is EVERYTHING, even supplanting belief. So, 
if these men drove their planes in a rage of hatred for the Americans, 
their afterlife would be more difficult. There are, to this day, a few 
entitities from that war still working out their intense feelings 
close to the physical plane.


A person in a war scenario who sacrifices his life by throwing his 
body on a grenade to save his comrades goes into a very high state, 
afaik. He has put his own individual survival aside for his fellow 
man.




Case in point: Twin Towers attacks- a scenario for your 
consideration:


The victims on the planes, in the buildings, etc, were, generally 
speaking, ushered into their devachan state, being energetically 
shielded from the excruciating effects of emotional relationships of 
grieving survivors, etc. Once one is out of the physical, yet still 
connected to this plane, the intensity of those feelings can be 
devastating.


The suicide bombers went to a different state of existence- one of 
intense fury, anguish- no 90 virgins awaiting them, but severe 
emotional replaying of their last hour(s), remorse, etc.


The firemen and rescue volunteers who went into the building 
selflessly with no thought of their own personal safety, and 
subsequently gave up their lives for others; were ushered up that 
evening in a wonderful pillar of Light that formed over Manhattan to 
their atmic Oneness...and beyond.




regards-




Ali





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