[bn-study] Re: Divine Wind
Apr 29, 2004 06:15 PM
by ali_haq_hassan
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@e...>
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> Thursday, April 29, 2004
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> Dear A:
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> There are as I see it in THEOSOPHY two laws operating:
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> 1. Karma of the individual which faces him with the decision to
kill or
> not to kill. Some who believe in peace have adopted "CONSCIENTIOUS
> OBJECTION and have taken the subsequent martyrdom of ostracism,
torture or
> worse -- even death.
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> 2 All decisions are choices and even "going with the flow" does
not
> relieve anyone from Karmic consequences.
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> The strength we need to gain is that which refuses to hurt or harm
anyone no
> matter hat the provocation.
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> Best wishes,
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> Dallas
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ali_
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 2:30 PM
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> Subject: [bn-study] Re: Divine Wind
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> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Dallas TenBroeck"
<dalval14@e...>
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> > Wednesday, April 28, 2004
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> > From: Etzion B
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> > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 10:58 AM
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> > Subject: [bn-study] Re: Divine Wind
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> > What I have learnt, is when a person kills another person, he
takes
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> > himself the sanskaras/impressions of that person. Presumably, the
> *victim*
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> > is the real winner here, bacause his karmic burden has been
> lessened, while
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> > the karmic burden of the killer grew. A person who kills in order
to
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> > another person or his country, and doing it without any trace of
> anger, can
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> > help the other side to lessen its karmic burden, while he himself
> don't
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> > contract any further karma. This is very rare. I of course, don't
> know the
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> > personal fate of those Japanese pilots. They were ordered to do
so,
> they
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> > were not volunteers. The burden in such a case, falls on the heads
> of those
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> > who gave the orders. Etzion
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> > From: L.R. <mailto:liberty722980@y...> Andrews
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> > Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 7:41 PM
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> > Subject: [bn-study] Divine Wind
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> > Dear Friends,
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> > With regard to suicide and its consequences in the hereafter,
would
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> > example a Kami Kaze (Divine Wind) pilot who deliberately crashed
his
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> > aircraft into an enemy ship, necessarily be in torment after death
> because
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> > he "committed suicide?" It would seem that many if not most of the
> Japanese
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> > suicide pilots of World War II had the noblest of intentions when
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> > unselfishly gave up their lives for their homeland.
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> > Thanks for your comments,
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> > L.R.
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> Cases of war are special circumstances. From what I understand, they
> involve group (national) karma as well as individual karma. A person
> like the kamikaze pilots who sacrificed his life willingly believing
> it to be in defense of his homeland would not suffer ill karmic
> effects.
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> As HPB mentions, motive is EVERYTHING, even supplanting belief. So,
> if these men drove their planes in a rage of hatred for the
Americans,
> their afterlife would be more difficult. There are, to this day, a
few
> entitities from that war still working out their intense feelings
> close to the physical plane.
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> A person in a war scenario who sacrifices his life by throwing his
> body on a grenade to save his comrades goes into a very high state,
> afaik. He has put his own individual survival aside for his fellow
> man.
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> Case in point: Twin Towers attacks- a scenario for your
> consideration:
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> The victims on the planes, in the buildings, etc, were, generally
> speaking, ushered into their devachan state, being energetically
> shielded from the excruciating effects of emotional relationships of
> grieving survivors, etc. Once one is out of the physical, yet still
> connected to this plane, the intensity of those feelings can be
> devastating.
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> The suicide bombers went to a different state of existence- one of
> intense fury, anguish- no 90 virgins awaiting them, but severe
> emotional replaying of their last hour(s), remorse, etc.
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> The firemen and rescue volunteers who went into the building
> selflessly with no thought of their own personal safety, and
> subsequently gave up their lives for others; were ushered up that
> evening in a wonderful pillar of Light that formed over Manhattan to
> their atmic Oneness...and beyond.
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> regards-
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> Ali
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