Theos-Talk Archives (April 2004 Message tt00323)

Hallo Leon and all,

My views are:

I sort of agree with most of what you say in the below.

Just this: Some people like to be given a distorted version of theosophy.

And yes because of that we all should be on the look out
about hwat is going on.

That is why I from time to time have offered the books by Idries Shah
- so to avoid that the theosphical cause got
out of hand - and turned it self into a WESTERNIZED Bible-society with
numerous of dead-letter readings and interpretations of its teachings.



And what have I said more than one time in the last few days?

Let me again state some of the important facts we quite often are faced with
here at Theos-Talk,
as I see them, and ask my questions, which is still unanswered by many
readers.

My view is:
"The bitter truth is that before man can know his own inadequacy, or the
competence of another man or institution, he must first learn something
which will enable him to perceive both. Note well that his perception itself
is a product of right study; not of instinct or emotional attraction to the
individual, nor yet of desiring to 'go it alone'. This is 'Learning How To
Learn."
http://home19.inet.tele.dk/global-theosophy/skole_1.htm


A few days back I also emailed the following:

Let us have the quote again (changed a bit) while we refer to Blavatsky's
writings and her written material:

"So very important: The use of ideas, FOR INSTANCE BOOKS and WRITTEN
MATERIAL of ALL sorts is to shape a man or woman, not to support a system -
which is viewed in a limited manner. This is one way in which the Wisdom
Tradition is
'living', and not just the perpetuations of ideas and movements - LIKE FOR
INSTANCE
THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY. This seems important to understand and know
about."
http://theos-talk.com/archives/200210/tt00046.html (On what happened to
The Theosophical Society when Blavatsky died.)


Try also this and tell me if it is not theosophical teaching:
http://home19.inet.tele.dk/global-theosophy/char_lit.htm


What are your views on this quote my dear readers ?


from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <leonmaurer@aol.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World The Unthinkable Self...!


> Looking deeply into this mystified interpretation of the Secret Doctrine
by
> A. E. Powell, and its entirely linear symbolic diagrams (that, according
to
> HPB, should never be taken literally)... I'm inclined to believe that it
is
> nothing more than a further obfuscation of the original writings of HPB...
That, in
> its entirety, is a purposeful occlusion of the true occult nature of
> reality... For the sole purpose of making it difficult for anyone other
than the
> completely intuitive, self initiated student (unconditioned by the
materialistic
> preconceptions or faith centered beliefs of the lower mind) to see the
actual
> scientific relationships between the Absolute root of consciousness
(awareness
> and will) and matter -- that follow completely logical (although
nonlinear)
> processes of fractal (a geometric pattern that is repeated at ever smaller
scales)
> involution according to rigid laws of cycles and periodicity based on
> fundamental spin of the zero-point of Absolute space. (The reason for
this
> purposful "blinding" or hiding of the true teaching is quite obvious due
to the
> present level of materialism of the majority of people during this
transitional
> period of human evolution, when a new subrace with higher powers of mind
are
> destined to begin appearing.)
>
> These fundamental laws resolve into further scientifically logical
> (mathematical) laws of electricity, e.g., symmetry, harmony, resonance,
inductance,
> reluctance, capacitance, resistance, etc. ... As the material aspect of
universal
> origin transforms through descending orders of spherical hyperspace fields
> within fields within fields... Guided, in its further evolution (after
initial
> involution on the highest frequency/energy logoic planes) by the all
knowing
> centers of consciousness of the first hierarchical intelligence's (Dhyan
> Chohans). These builders or architects are the first order monadic
derivatives of the
> initial noumena of phenomenal consciousness in the primal or absolute zero
(or
> laya) point of universal origin. Their sheaths or bodies are the first
> triune monadic fields emanated from the spinergy of the primal laya
point -- which
> always is the center of origin of all subsequent monads as they involve
> sequentially, in an analogous and corresponding manner, from spiritual,
through
> astral, to physical "matter" (that is the lowest order of frequency/energy
of the
> primal force).
>
> There is nothing mystical or magical in this conscious guidance (of the
> Chohans) -- since the zero-points at the centers of all monadic fields
never change
> their common subjectivity -- as the laws change their numerical values
from
> one field to the next in accord with the changing level, order, or phase,
of
> their individual energy/frequency spectrums. Since the Chohans, are of the
> highest order, and consequently, of divine intelligence or wisdom, they
need no
> training in the manipulation of the lower order forms or structures.
>
> Thus, since we are each a reflection of this primal point, all of us have
the
> same potential of controlling this ordering of the field energies, as well
as
> their forms. This understanding is the key to the correlation of forces
that
> enable the Adept to manipulate phenomena on the lower physical plane by
> concentrated alignment of the primal and derivative forces -- through
focussed
> visualizations on the higher mental plane -- directed by the power of will
which,
> besides awareness, or experiential consciousness, is the inherent property
of
> the zero-point of Absolute space, that is everywhere, with its
circumference
> nowhere.
>
> However, the methods and ability to control these forces is another matter
> entirely -- and depends upon the direct understanding and conscious
control of
> the transformation of the seven qualities of the one force gained through
long
> meditative practice following the guidance of a knowledgeable teacher
(e.g.,
> Patanjali).
>
> All this is perfectly obvious to the intuitive student who can read in and
> around the words and between the lines of the original Secret Doctrine.
And any
> further explanations in mystical terms and linear diagrams serves only to
> mystify it even further -- by loading the student's minds with geometric
> visualizations, and mystical terms that obscure the real spherical and
hyperspace
> nature of the energy fields that surround all non physical forms and their
Chakra
> centers.
>
> The only diagrams necessary, for a starting point of meditation, are the
> spherical ones that symbolize these fields in their geometric
relationships as
> they descend fractally through both inner and outer space. For examples,
besides
> the "rounds" diagrams of HPB in the SD, see:
> http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/chakrafield.html
> http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/invlutionflddiagnotate.gif
> (Incidentally, all these spherical forms can be directly correlated
> symbolically with the linear geometric solid forms inscribed within, or
subscribed
> around them.)
>
> That is why, HPB, said that we must write our new (non) Secret Doctrine in
> "the language of this age" -- which must eventually transform the language
of
> science and the language of theosophical metaphysics into a common
language that
> ordinary people can understand -- without mystification's, such as the
> strangling language of AAB, CWL, AEP, etc., and without losing its basic
link with
> the spiritual and meditative theosophical teachings of HPB, WQJ, the
Masters,
> Patanjali, Lao Tse, Hermes, etc., that lead to "self realization" and a
truer
> understanding of the essential unity of all beings. The goal being, on
this
> plane, to individually and as groups of enlightened students, form the
"nucleus
> of universal brotherhood," and ultimately the collective brotherhood of
ALL
> mankind without distinction of race, creed, sex, condition or
organization.
>
> Unfortunately, the separation of the theosophical organizations and their
> later psuodo theosophical spin offs -- along with the conflicts between
them, and
> their different methods of trying to achieve those goals by appealing to
> particular religious groups and mystical minded people with a focus on
living
> messiahs and hierarchical rulers -- has done little to help forward the
universal
> Theosophical Movement and spread broadcast the non sectarian teachings of
the
> "synthesis of science, religion and philosophy" initiated by HPB and the
> Masters.
>
> LHM
>
> In a message dated 03/28/04 11:35:43 AM, global-theosophy@adslhome.dk
writes:
>
> Hallo all of you,
>
> My vies are:
>
> I know, that some of you are not agreeing on the following.
> But I find it to be quite good.
>
> http://www.theosophical.ca/CausalBody1.htm
> http://www.theosophical.ca/Images/causal10a.gif (Diagram IV)
> http://www.theosophical.ca/Images/causal13.gif (Diagram V)
>
>
> "CHAPTER III
>
> THE COMING FORTH OF THE MONADS
> Before considering the creative activity of the Third Logos, and the
detailed
> preparation of the field of evolution, we must note the origination of the
> Monads or units of consciousness, for whose evolution in matter the field
of a
> universe is prepared. We shall return to their fuller consideration in a
later
> chapter.
>
>
> The Myriads of these units, who are to be developed in the coming
universe,
> are generated within the divine life, before the field for their evolution
is
> formed. Of this forthgoing it has been written : "That willed: I shall
multiply
> and be born" [Chhandopanishat VI.ii, 3] : thus the Many arise in the One
by
> that act of will. The act of will is that of the First Logos, the
undivided
> Lord, the Father.
>
> The Monads are described as sparks of the Supreme Fire, as "Divine
> fragments".The Occult Catechism , quoted in the Secret Doctrine . I., 145,
says: "Lift
> thy head, O Lanoo; dost thou see one, or countless, lights above thee,
burning
> in the midnight sky?' 'I sense One Flame, O Gurudeva; I see countless,
> undetached sparks shining in it'." The Flame is Ishvara, in His
manifestation, as the
> First Logos; the undetached sparks are the Monads, human and other. The
word
> "undetached" should be especially noted, as signifying that the Monads are
the
> Logos Himself.
>
> A Monad may thus be defined as a fragment of the divine life, separated
off
> as an individual entity by rarest film of matter, matter so rare that,
while it
> gives, a separate form to each, it offers no obstacle to the free
> intercommunication, of a life, thus encased, with the surrounding similar
lives.
>
> A Monad is thus not pure consciousness, pure Self, samvit. That is an
> abstraction. In the concrete universe there are always the Self and his
sheaths,
> however tenuous the sheaths may be, so that a unit of consciousness is
inseparable
> from matter. Hence a Monad is consciousness plus matter.
>
> The Monad of Theosophy, is the Jivatma of Indian Philosophy, the Purusha
of
> the Samkya, the particularised Self of the Vedanta.
>
> The life of the Monads being thus of the First Logos, they may be
described
> as Sons of the Father, just as the Second Logos Himself is the Son of the
> Father; but the Monads are but younger Sons, with none of their divine
powers,
> capable of acting in matter denser than that of their own plane - the
Anupadaka;
> while the Second Logos, with ages of evolution behind Him, stands ready to
> exercise His divine powers, "the first-born " among many brethren.
>
> Whilst the roots of their life are in the Adi plane, the Monads themselves
> dwell, on the Anupadaka Plane, as yet without vehicles in which they can
> express, themselves, awaiting the day of "manifestation" of the Sons of
God".There
> they remain, while the Third Logos begins the external work of
manifestation,
> shaping the matter of the objective universe. This work will be described,
in
> the next chapter.
>
> Diagram IV indicates the Monads, waiting on their own plane whilst the
world,
> in which they are to develop is being fashioned."
>
>
>
> The following might be of help:
> "PS The rejection of self, the anatma doctrine of Buddhism, seems on the
> surface to be diametrically opposed to Theosophy, which posits a spiritual
> Self. But Blavatsky clearly says that this spiritual Self is a ray or
> emanation into our planetary chain from something she calls a "divine
> Monad", and so seeing this spiritual Self as maya is not anti-Theosophy at
> all. And the divine Monad is not a self, so there is really no problem at
> all."
> http://theosophy.com/theos-talk/200203/tt00248.html
>
>
>
> H. P. Blavatsky - The secret Doctrine, vol1. Proem, page 14
>
> The Secret Doctrine establishes three fundamental propositions: -
> (a) An Omnipresent, Eternal, Boundless, and Immutable PRINCIPLE on
> which all speculation is impossible, since it transcends the power of
human
> conception and could only be dwarfed by any human expression or
similitude.
> It is beyond the range and reach of thought - in the words of Mandukya,
> "unthinkable and unspeakable."
>
> http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/PROEM.pdf
>
>
>
> H. P. Blavatsky - The secret Doctrine, vol1., page 52:
>
> "The term Anupadaka, "parentless," or without progenitors, is a mystical
> designation having several meanings in the philosophy. By this name
celestial
> beings, the Dhyan-Chohans or Dhyani-Buddhas, are generally meant. But as
these
> correspond mystically to the human Buddhas and Bodhisattwas, known as the
> "Manushi (or human) Buddhas," the latter are also designated "Anupadaka,"
once that
> their whole personality is merged in their compound sixth and seventh
> principles -- or Atma-Buddhi, and that they have become the
"diamond-souled"
> (Vajra-sattvas),* the full Mahatmas. The "Concealed Lord" (Sangbai
Dag-po), "the one
> merged with the absolute," can have no parents since he is Self-existent,
and one
> with the Universal Spirit (Svayambhu),** the Svabhavat in the highest
aspect.
> The mystery in the hierarchy of the Anupadaka is great, its apex being the
> universal Spirit-Soul, and the lower rung the Manushi-Buddha; and even
every
> Soul-endowed man is an Anupadaka in a latent state. Hence, when speaking
of the
> Universe in its formless, eternal, or absolute condition, before it was
> fashioned by the "Builders" -- the expression, "the Universe was
Anupadaka." (See
> Part II., "Primordial Substance.")
>
>
>
> [[Footnote(s)]] -------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> * Vajra -- diamond-holder. In Tibetan Dorjesempa; sempa meaning the soul,
its
> adamantine quality referring to its indestructibility in the hereafter.
The
> explanation with regard to the "Anupadaka" given in the Kala Chakra, the
first
> in the Gyu(t) division of the Kanjur, is half esoteric. It has misled the
> Orientalists into erroneous speculations with respect to the
Dhyani-Buddhas and
> their earthly correspondencies, the Manushi-Buddhas. The real tenet is
hinted at
> in a subsequent Volume, (see "The Mystery about Buddha"), and will be more
> fully explained in its proper place.
>
>
>
> ** To quote Hegel again, who with Schelling practically accepted the
> Pantheistic conception of periodical Avatars (special incarnations of the
World-Spirit
> in Man, as seen in the case of all the great religious reformers) . . . .
> "the essence of man is spirit . . . . only by stripping himself of his
finiteness
> and surrendering himself to pure self-consciousness does he attain the
truth.
> Christ-man, as man in whom the Unity of God-man (identity of the
individual
> with the Universal consciousness as taught by the Vedantins and some
Adwaitees)
> appeared, has, in his death and history generally, himself presented the
> eternal history of Spirit -- a history which every man has to accomplish
in
> himself, in order to exist as Spirit." -- Philosophy of History. Sibree's
English
> translation, p. 340."
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