Theos-Talk Archives (March 2004 Message tt00741)

Hallo Leon and all,

My views are:

Let us remember, that I am not claiming to be a Lay-Chela or a Master.

My emails are spiritual designs, so that people may learn by them.
This does not imply, that I am prepared to teach you or just ANY Seeker
after Truth and Wisdom in the manner you find attractive !
Do you understand that ?


I am not always against what others are saying, I do many times agree upon,
what other persons are writing here at Theos-talk.
Sometimes we just have different level on how we understand it.


Allright. I will give an incomplete view of some of my ideas upon the
subject.
What I know and can agree upon, is, that something new is needed - and could
be created.
A new - physical group and teaching.
But it will require more - spiritual power than I am capeable of putting in
to action right now.
Everything has its time and place.
Patience is often important.
Impatience and wantings about someone giving one a new teaching
does not always justify such a WANT and impatience.


1. We make all students aware of, that there are NO books or writings at
all about theosophy and Ancient Wisdom, which
can be said to be without faults. BECAUSE - There will nearly always be
someone, who either misunderstands them or who do not understand them in
their entirety. Sincerity is what is required if study has to bear any
fruit.


Then read this:
a)
http://home19.inet.tele.dk/global-theosophy/skole_1.htm

First study - and then become a disciple of a Master or lay-Chela.

b)
http://home19.inet.tele.dk/global-theosophy/char_lit.htm

Be aware of the many Bible-study mentalities within different Theosophical
branches.
And make all Seekers after Ancient Wisdom aware of the content of this link
as far as it has any spiritual value.

--- Let us remember to relate Old writings to our own time. ---

c)
Let us have the quote again (changed a bit) while we refer to Blavatsky's
writings and her written material:

"So very important: The use of ideas, FOR INSTANCE BOOKS and WRITTEN
MATERIAL of ALL sorts is to shape a man or woman, not to support a system -
which is
viewed in a limited manner. This is one way in which the Wisdom Tradition is
'living',
and not just the perpetuations of ideas and movements - LIKE FOR INSTANCE
THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY.
This seems important to understand and know about."
--- On what happened to The Theosophical Society when Blavatsky died. ---
http://theos-talk.com/archives/200210/tt00046.html

All experience is to shape the individual man or woman as life progresses.
The Law of Karma is constantly in operation.
The written teachings or other teachings operates as DESIGNS,
so that we may be shaped - in our Heart-Wisdom-Will nature.
The support of a single physical movement or system is of less importance.



d)
Be aware of false teachers.
Make the students aware of how to relate to does who - claim, that they are
capeable of
teaching others theosophy.
And let us know, that the Teachers are in these days often incomplete.




2. There are seven Path within Theosophy. (The Secret Doctrine vol. 2, p.
191)

I suggest, (but that is just me), that we take - of course depending on who
we are -

a) Blavatsky's writings --- as the base
b) The main scriptures from all the Major religions on our planet. (Jews,
Chirsitians, Zoroastrians, Buddhism, Islam and Hinduism (including Bhagavad
Gita, The Upanishads, and Adwaita teachings).
c) Arthur E. Powell's books - The Etheric Double, The Astral Body, The
Menatal Body, The Causal Body, The Solar System.
(Using them - Knowing that they contain faults and pointing the few faults
out.)
d) Other books, letters or papers one can agree upon.
c) I prefer Idries Shah's writings - to the westerner - as a sort of new
enhancement - although only -almost- all his teaching is in accordance with
Blavatsky's.
e) Plot a view on how theosophy should relate to the new society year 2004.
What new teachings are required if any and why not ?

And State clearly what the view is.
f) Plot a view on how theosophy should relate to The United Nations and The
United Religions Initiative and other groups of importance
And State clearly what the view is.
g) And do as we do now "cull the good we find in each" and protest against
what we expereince a misleading when it is allright.
h) Do a REAL effort in Promoting theosophy.
Be aware of The Law of Karma and how we promote theosophy in public and in
total.
Do we say too much when promoting it ?
Do we promote what actually has importance ?
Do we protest enough in public against injustice made towards the
theosophical name and reputation - even when done by other branches ?
Do we claim that we ourselves know of the Masters existence and that we have
contact with them from time to time ?
Do we do a strong enough effort to make our views know, our teachings know
and understood, and do we protest enough ?
Are there enough members occupied with promoting theosophy ?


As Blavatsky said: "we cull the good we find in each" thought-system.
We learn by exchanging emails and by study in our lives.
We are in fact in a learning process.

--- Let us remember to relate Old writings to our own time. ---




I do hope my english will get better.


from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <leonmaurer@aol.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Future lives and death


> Hey Morton,
>
> Maybe it would help if, instead of vaguely talking about pulling ourselves
> together and telling us that the old views of the past are wrong, you
start
> telling us how you think we go should about pulling together, and what are
the
> "new views" we should be learning and teaching that are related to our
present
> situation and the upcoming future?
>
> You might begin by telling us what is the "present situation" and how we
can
> prepare for that "upcoming future"... That you profess to see but never
seem
> to explain -- without steering us to long winded articles on the Internet,
old
> letters of yours, and other quotes from Sufi and other theosophical
> literature -- which, in my view, never seem to go anywhere or tell us how
to change
> anything.
>
> Seems to me that you do a lot of hand waving and nay saying about what's
> wrong with theosophy as it's been taught for ages, and the way each of us
has
> chosen to address it. So, rather than pointing us to what others are
doing or
> have said about it, why don't you come up with some new teachings that
might help
> pull us together and show us how to prevent "aspirants" or the rest of the
> world from getting caught up by the "New Age waves of socery" (whatever
that
> means:-)?
>
> As for aspirants, how do you propose to attract them -- without
proselytizing
> and offering them another miracle school or religion that promises them
the
> personal powers and "spiritual materialism" they might be looking for or
are
> attracted to?
>
> As I view it, theosophy -- as a synthesis of science religion and
philosophy,
> along with being an exposition of the true nature of reality (that hasn't
> changed since the beginning of time), as well as a guidance to the path
leading
> toward individual self realization -- has nothing to do with the "present
or
> future conditions" of the world other than showing us the necessity for
> Universal Brotherhood and altruism to be its guiding principles. But, I
cannot see
> how any organized group action can lead to those ideal conditions. In
fact, all
> I do see, is that adding another organized religion or spiritual group to
the
> mix will just accelerate the inevitable crash of this whole world system.
> And with that in mind, all I now think we should do is just study and
practice
> our own individual yoga's, while we wait and see what we can do when the
the
> time comes to help lift the remnants of our old organized civilization out
of
> its disorganized ashes.
>
> However, if you see it another way -- maybe you should start showing us
how
> we might go about attaining it -- instead of just carrying on about our
> mistakes, and pointing to what others have said about it.
>
> The other alternative, perhaps, might be to set up your own school -- 
write a
> new Secret Doctrine that counteracts the distortions of the post
Blavatsky,
> New Age pseudo theosophies of AB, CWL, and AAB, and that offers some newer
> teaching in tune with this present and future time -- and see if there are
any of
> us "old Timers" along with new "aspirants" who might join you in saving
the
> world. :-)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Leonardo M.
> (the independent friemaurer who sees it all, knows nothing, and keeps
smiling
> as he watches karma take it course without interference from other fools
like
> he used to be -- and maybe, still is. </:-)>
>
>
> In a message dated 03/28/04 10:24:25 AM, global-theosophy@adslhome.dk
writes:
>
> >Hallo all of you,
> >
> >My views are:
> >
> >If we do not pull ourselves much more together
> >and start dealing with the upcoming furutre and the present situation,
> >- and keep continuing to
> >use OLD views of the past - NOT related to our present time - the world
> >will loose many potential aspirants
> >into the New Age waves of socery.
> >
> >That is why I suggest, that we by careful reading could consider the
> following:
> >http://home19.inet.tele.dk/global-theosophy/skole_1.htm
> >
> >
> >We will have to relate the theosophical teaching to time, place, people
> > and the circumstances.
> >The time is not ripe to keep dwelving into the past - WITHOUT - relating
> >our activities to the present and the future to come.
> >
> >The theosophical Mahatmas are not concerned with sects or any of the
major
> >religions
> >in a manner that makes one of them more important than the other without
> >a critical view upon them.
> >They are concerned with facts - which ARE related to time, place, people
> >and circumstances.
> >
> >Past teachings of the high initiated Mahatmas SHOULD NOT be translated
> >into to use in our present hour and time,
> >without a critical understanding of that - spiritual teachings sometimes
> >are related to time, place, people and circumstances.
> >
> >
> >
> >The view is:
> >Taken from --- The Aquarian Theosophist march 17, 2002
> >The page 13-15
> >http://www.teosofia.com/Docs/vol-2-5.pdf
> >
> >
> >"Maybe the following could be of interest:
> >
> >The difficulty of giving one the Wisdom
> >Religion is dealt with by H. P.B. in the Secret Doctrine as follows:
> >
> >1. Opinion must be reserved because:
> >Complete explanation for initiates only.
> >
> >a. Only a fragmentary portion of the
> >esoteric meaning given.
> >b. Only adepts can speak with authority. - S. D., I, 188, 190. II, 55,
> >90.
> >c. The teachings are offered as a hypothesis. - S D II, 469.
> >
> >
> >
> >2. We must lose sight entirely of:
> >
> >a. Personalities. Only adepts can speak with authority.
> >b. Dogmatic beliefs.
> >c. Special religions. - S. D., I, 3, 4.
> >
> >
> >
> >3. We must be free from prejudice. - S. D., III, 1.
> >
> >We must also:
> >a. Be free from conceit.
> >b. Free from selfishness.
> >c. Ready to accept demonstrated truth.
> >d. We must find the highest meaning possible. - S. D., III, 487.
> >e. We must be also non-sectarian. - S. D., III, 110.
> >f. We must remember the handicap of language. - S. D., I, 197, 290, 293.
> >g. We must aim to become a disciple. - S. D., I, 188. II, 246. III,129.
> >h. We must eventually develop powers. - S. D., I, 518. II, 85.
> >i. We must lead the life of Brotherhood. - S. D., I, 190.
> >j. We must remember that H. P.B . makes no claim to infallibility. - S.
> >D., II, 25 note, 273. I,293.
> >k. H. P. B. says:
> >
> >"I speak with 'absolute certainty' only so
> >far as my own personal belief is concerned.
> >Those who have not the same warrant for
> >their belief as I have would be very credulous
> >and foolish to accept it on blind faith...
> >
> >What I do believe in is:
> >1. The unbroken oral tradition revealed by living divine men during the
> >infancy of mankind to the elect among men.
> >2. That it has reached us unaltered.
> >3. That the Masters are thoroughly versed in the science based on such
> >uninterrupted teaching."
> >- Lucifer, Vol. V, p. 157.
> >
> >"The Secret Doctrine is no 'authority' per se; but being full of
quotations
> >and texts
> >from the Sacred Scriptures and philosophies of almost every great
religion
> >and school, those
> >who belong to any of these are sure to find support for their arguments
> >on some page or another.
> >There are, however, Theosophists, and of the best and most devoted, who
> >do suffer from such weakness for authority."
> >- Lucifer, Vol. III, p. 157. (Edition to this email: This reference seem
> >to be incorrect ??? --- )
> >
> >
> >
> >"The many-sided facets of the mystery language have led to the adoption
> >of widely varied dogmas and rites in the exotericism of the Church
rituals.
> >It is they, again, which are at the origin of most of the dogmas of the
> >Christian Church, e.g., the seven Sacraments, the Trinity, the
Resurrection;
> >the seven capital Sins and the seven Virtues. The seven keys to the
mystery
> >tongue, however, having always been in the keeping of the highest among
> >the initiated Hierophants of antiquity, it is only the partial use of a
> >few out of the seven which passed, through the treason of some early
Church
> >Fathers -- ex-initiates of the Temples -- into the hands of the new sect
> >of the Nazarenes. Some of the early Popes were Initiates, but the last
> >fragments of their knowledge have now fallen into the power of the
Jesuits,
> >who have turned them into a system of sorcery.
> >
> >It is maintained that INDIA (not in its present limits, but including its
> >ancient boundaries) is the only country in the world which still has
among
> >her sons adepts, who have the knowledge of all the seven sub-systems and
> >the key to the entire system. Since the fall of Memphis, Egypt began to
> >lose those keys one by one, and Chaldea had preserved only three in the
> >days of Berosus. As for the Hebrews, in all their writings they show no
> >more than a thorough knowledge of the astronomical, geometrical and
numerical
> >systems of symbolizing all the human, and especially the physiological
> >functions. They never had the higher keys."
> >
> > Secret Doctrine by H. P. Blavatsky, vol. 1, p. 310-11:
> >
> >
> >"But while supposing that the whole cycle of the universal mystery
language
> >will not be mastered for whole centuries to come, even that which has
been
> >hitherto discovered in the Bible by some scholars is quite sufficient to
> >demonstrate the claim -- mathematically. Judaism having availed itself
> >of two keys out of the seven, and these two keys having been now
> rediscovered,
> >it becomes no longer a matter of individual speculation and hypothesis,
> >least of all of "coincidence," but one of a correct reading of the Bible
> >texts, as anyone acquainted with arithmetic reads and verifies an
addition
> >or total.* A few years longer and this system will kill the dead letter
> >of the Bible, as it will that of all the other exoteric faiths, by
showing
> >the dogmas in their real, naked meaning.
> >
> >-------
> >* All we have said in Isis is now found corroborated in the "Egyptian
> Mystery;
> >or The Source of Measures," by those readings of the Bible with the
numerical
> >and geometrical keys thereto."
> >
> >Secret Doctrine by H. P. Blavatsky, vol. 1, p. 318.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >from
> >M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> >
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