Theos-Talk Archives (March 2004 Message tt00730)

Hey Morton, 

Maybe it would help if, instead of vaguely talking about pulling ourselves 
together and telling us that the old views of the past are wrong, you start 
telling us how you think we go should about pulling together, and what are the 
"new views" we should be learning and teaching that are related to our present 
situation and the upcoming future? 

You might begin by telling us what is the "present situation" and how we can 
prepare for that "upcoming future"... That you profess to see but never seem 
to explain -- without steering us to long winded articles on the Internet, old 
letters of yours, and other quotes from Sufi and other theosophical 
literature -- which, in my view, never seem to go anywhere or tell us how to change 
anything.

Seems to me that you do a lot of hand waving and nay saying about what's 
wrong with theosophy as it's been taught for ages, and the way each of us has 
chosen to address it. So, rather than pointing us to what others are doing or 
have said about it, why don't you come up with some new teachings that might help 
pull us together and show us how to prevent "aspirants" or the rest of the 
world from getting caught up by the "New Age waves of socery" (whatever that 
means:-)? 

As for aspirants, how do you propose to attract them -- without proselytizing 
and offering them another miracle school or religion that promises them the 
personal powers and "spiritual materialism" they might be looking for or are 
attracted to? 

As I view it, theosophy -- as a synthesis of science religion and philosophy, 
along with being an exposition of the true nature of reality (that hasn't 
changed since the beginning of time), as well as a guidance to the path leading 
toward individual self realization -- has nothing to do with the "present or 
future conditions" of the world other than showing us the necessity for 
Universal Brotherhood and altruism to be its guiding principles. But, I cannot see 
how any organized group action can lead to those ideal conditions. In fact, all 
I do see, is that adding another organized religion or spiritual group to the 
mix will just accelerate the inevitable crash of this whole world system. 
And with that in mind, all I now think we should do is just study and practice 
our own individual yoga's, while we wait and see what we can do when the the 
time comes to help lift the remnants of our old organized civilization out of 
its disorganized ashes. 

However, if you see it another way -- maybe you should start showing us how 
we might go about attaining it -- instead of just carrying on about our 
mistakes, and pointing to what others have said about it. 

The other alternative, perhaps, might be to set up your own school -- write a 
new Secret Doctrine that counteracts the distortions of the post Blavatsky, 
New Age pseudo theosophies of AB, CWL, and AAB, and that offers some newer 
teaching in tune with this present and future time -- and see if there are any of 
us "old Timers" along with new "aspirants" who might join you in saving the 
world. :-)

Best wishes,

Leonardo M. 
(the independent friemaurer who sees it all, knows nothing, and keeps smiling 
as he watches karma take it course without interference from other fools like 
he used to be -- and maybe, still is. </:-)> 


In a message dated 03/28/04 10:24:25 AM, global-theosophy@adslhome.dk writes:

>Hallo all of you,
>
>My views are:
>
>If we do not pull ourselves much more together
>and start dealing with the upcoming furutre and the present situation,
>- and keep continuing to 
>use OLD views of the past - NOT related to our present time - the world
>will loose many potential aspirants
>into the New Age waves of socery.
>
>That is why I suggest, that we by careful reading could consider the 
following:
>http://home19.inet.tele.dk/global-theosophy/skole_1.htm
>
>
>We will have to relate the theosophical teaching to time, place, people
> and the circumstances.
>The time is not ripe to keep dwelving into the past - WITHOUT - relating
>our activities to the present and the future to come.
>
>The theosophical Mahatmas are not concerned with sects or any of the major
>religions
>in a manner that makes one of them more important than the other without
>a critical view upon them.
>They are concerned with facts - which ARE related to time, place, people
>and circumstances.
>
>Past teachings of the high initiated Mahatmas SHOULD NOT be translated
>into to use in our present hour and time,
>without a critical understanding of that - spiritual teachings sometimes
>are related to time, place, people and circumstances.
>
>
>
>The view is:
>Taken from --- The Aquarian Theosophist march 17, 2002
>The page 13-15
>http://www.teosofia.com/Docs/vol-2-5.pdf
>
>
>"Maybe the following could be of interest:
>
>The difficulty of giving one the Wisdom
>Religion is dealt with by H. P.B. in the Secret Doctrine as follows:
>
>1. Opinion must be reserved because:
>Complete explanation for initiates only.
>
>a. Only a fragmentary portion of the
>esoteric meaning given.
>b. Only adepts can speak with authority. - S. D., I, 188, 190. II, 55,
>90.
>c. The teachings are offered as a hypothesis. - S D II, 469.
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>
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>2. We must lose sight entirely of:
>
>a. Personalities. Only adepts can speak with authority.
>b. Dogmatic beliefs.
>c. Special religions. - S. D., I, 3, 4.
>
>
>
>3. We must be free from prejudice. - S. D., III, 1.
>
>We must also:
>a. Be free from conceit.
>b. Free from selfishness.
>c. Ready to accept demonstrated truth.
>d. We must find the highest meaning possible. - S. D., III, 487.
>e. We must be also non-sectarian. - S. D., III, 110.
>f. We must remember the handicap of language. - S. D., I, 197, 290, 293.
>g. We must aim to become a disciple. - S. D., I, 188. II, 246. III,129.
>h. We must eventually develop powers. - S. D., I, 518. II, 85.
>i. We must lead the life of Brotherhood. - S. D., I, 190.
>j. We must remember that H. P.B . makes no claim to infallibility. - S.
>D., II, 25 note, 273. I,293.
>k. H. P. B. says:
>
>"I speak with 'absolute certainty' only so
>far as my own personal belief is concerned.
>Those who have not the same warrant for
>their belief as I have would be very credulous
>and foolish to accept it on blind faith...
>
>What I do believe in is:
>1. The unbroken oral tradition revealed by living divine men during the
>infancy of mankind to the elect among men.
>2. That it has reached us unaltered.
>3. That the Masters are thoroughly versed in the science based on such
>uninterrupted teaching."
>- Lucifer, Vol. V, p. 157.
>
>"The Secret Doctrine is no 'authority' per se; but being full of quotations
>and texts 
>from the Sacred Scriptures and philosophies of almost every great religion
>and school, those
>who belong to any of these are sure to find support for their arguments
>on some page or another.
>There are, however, Theosophists, and of the best and most devoted, who
>do suffer from such weakness for authority."
>- Lucifer, Vol. III, p. 157. (Edition to this email: This reference seem
>to be incorrect ??? --- )
>
>
>
>"The many-sided facets of the mystery language have led to the adoption
>of widely varied dogmas and rites in the exotericism of the Church rituals.
>It is they, again, which are at the origin of most of the dogmas of the
>Christian Church, e.g., the seven Sacraments, the Trinity, the Resurrection;
>the seven capital Sins and the seven Virtues. The seven keys to the mystery
>tongue, however, having always been in the keeping of the highest among
>the initiated Hierophants of antiquity, it is only the partial use of a
>few out of the seven which passed, through the treason of some early Church
>Fathers -- ex-initiates of the Temples -- into the hands of the new sect
>of the Nazarenes. Some of the early Popes were Initiates, but the last
>fragments of their knowledge have now fallen into the power of the Jesuits,
>who have turned them into a system of sorcery.
>
>It is maintained that INDIA (not in its present limits, but including its
>ancient boundaries) is the only country in the world which still has among
>her sons adepts, who have the knowledge of all the seven sub-systems and
>the key to the entire system. Since the fall of Memphis, Egypt began to
>lose those keys one by one, and Chaldea had preserved only three in the
>days of Berosus. As for the Hebrews, in all their writings they show no
>more than a thorough knowledge of the astronomical, geometrical and numerical
>systems of symbolizing all the human, and especially the physiological
>functions. They never had the higher keys."
>
> Secret Doctrine by H. P. Blavatsky, vol. 1, p. 310-11:
>
>
>"But while supposing that the whole cycle of the universal mystery language
>will not be mastered for whole centuries to come, even that which has been
>hitherto discovered in the Bible by some scholars is quite sufficient to
>demonstrate the claim -- mathematically. Judaism having availed itself
>of two keys out of the seven, and these two keys having been now 
rediscovered,
>it becomes no longer a matter of individual speculation and hypothesis,
>least of all of "coincidence," but one of a correct reading of the Bible
>texts, as anyone acquainted with arithmetic reads and verifies an addition
>or total.* A few years longer and this system will kill the dead letter
>of the Bible, as it will that of all the other exoteric faiths, by showing
>the dogmas in their real, naked meaning.
>
>-------
>* All we have said in Isis is now found corroborated in the "Egyptian 
Mystery;
>or The Source of Measures," by those readings of the Bible with the numerical
>and geometrical keys thereto."
>
>Secret Doctrine by H. P. Blavatsky, vol. 1, p. 318.
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>from
>M. Sufilight with peace and love...
>