Theos-Talk Archives (March 2004 Message tt00698)

Hallo Pedro and all,

My views are:

I just used Brown as an example.


And Yes - Exactly.
The Seeker after Truth and Wisdom - only See's what the Seeker wants to.
It is so: - It is the Master that find you. It is not the opposite way
around. You may not be ready yet.

And that is why some fancy Blavatsky and not Bailey.
And that is why some fancy for instance O.T.O or Parapsychology - and not
Theosophy.

The Masters and ParaBrahman are always there behind the layers of ignorance.

The most newcomers like to be on the "winning team" --- what we also
sometimes call the "most popular team" or "to follow spiritual fashion".
That is why so many have joined the Bailey groups in the western countries
the latest years. (Of course it is not the only reason.)
In India it is different. There the struggle is between Vedanta (especially
Adwaita Vedanta) and Tantra groups.
In USA it is not only Bailey. In the latest years the Sufi branches have had
great improvements. (I don't know what happened since 2001 though.)
In the eastern european countries 'every' Seeker knows about Helena Roerich
and perhaps also the later teachers in that branch.

I know these above sentences are very incomplete.
My point is, that this just tells us, that the Masters cannot - TODAY - just
be occupied with Theosophy as the only activity of importance.

Let us not ignore, that every time we honestly talk about - altruism, Karma,
Reincarnation and spiritual development - the seeker moves somewhere,
no matter what branch or organization the Seeker belongs to. - There are of
course the moneymakers and other exceptions.
Many branches look very much alike to the wellstudied Seeker after Wisdom
and Truth. They are just using a different kind of vocabulary form time to
time.
Some are 'poperies' in disguse. Others are only 'social clubs'. And yet,
others really gets somewhere. Such groups often follow a certain kind of
shall we say 'tribal' pattern. All ordinary Seekers - eat and drink. They
breathe the same air. And other issues of a more social kind may come
forward. They in fact have a lot in common.

So perhaps this (read the link) is the situation the Seeker after Wisdom
and Truth really faces:
http://home19.inet.tele.dk/global-theosophy/skole_1.htm


As HPB said about TS:
"It must be remembered that the Society was not founded as a nursery for
forcing a supply of Occultists -- as a factory for the manufactory of
Adepts. It was intended to stem the current of materialism, and also that of
spiritualistic phenomenalism and the worship of the Dead. It had to guide
the spiritual awakening that has now begun, and not to pander to psychic
cravings which are but another form of materialism. For by "materialism" is
meant not only an anti-philosophical negation of pure spirit, and, even
more, materialism in conduct and action -- brutality, hypocrisy, and, above
all, selfishness -- but also the fruits of a disbelief in all but material
things, a disbelief which has increased enormously during the last century,
and which has led many, after a denial of all existence other than that in
matter, into a blind belief in the materialization of Spirit."
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/hpb-am/hpb-am1.htm


I Denmark where my physical body is - we have in the statistics that appr.
25% of the grown up population believes - reincarnation to be a fact.
And This have been researched more than one time.



from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "prmoliveira" <prmoliveira@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 6:52 AM
Subject: Theos-World W.T. Brown meets K.H. in Lahore


> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> theosophy@a...> wrote:
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> > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/brown1890.htm
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> Morten,
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> Since you have given only W.T. Brown's 1890 modified point of view
> about his meeting with K.H., which supposedly took place in 1883,
> perhaps it would be relevant to present the following testimony by
> Brown of the same event soon after it happened ("The Theosophical
> Society: an Explanatory Treatise", quoted in "Old Diary Leaves",
> third series, pp.37):
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> "It will be sufficient here to remark that Mahatma K.H. is a living
> Adept, and that the writer had the honor of seeing him personally at
> Lahore and of being spoken to by him and even touched. Letters have
> been received by the writer at Madras, Lahore, Jammu (Kashmir), and
> again at Madras, all being in the same handwriting, etc.,etc."
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> That W.T. Brown allowed himself to be convinced by Emma Coulomb that
> K.H. was an "invention" of Damodar says a great deal about his
> understanding of the situation unfolding around him. But perhaps even
> more interesting is K.H.'s letter to Brown himself (received by Brown
> on 17th December 1883):
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> "On your last tour you have been given so many chances for various
> reasons - we do not do so much (or so little if you prefer) even for
> our Chelas, until they reach a certain stage of development
> necessitating no more use and abuse of power to communicate with
> them. If an Eastern, especially a Hindu, had even half a glimpse but
> once of what you had, he would have considered himself blessed the
> whole of his life.
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> You saw and recognised me twice at a distance, you knew it was I and
> no other; what more do you desire? If when after visiting Col. Olcott
> I passed over to your room and my voice and words pronounced - "Now
> you see me before you in flesh, look and assure yourself that it is
> I" - failed to impress you, and when the letter put into your hand
> awoke you at last but failed again to make you turn your face, your
> nervousness paralyzing you for a moment, the fault is surely yours,
> not mine. I had no right to act upon you phenomenally or to
> psychologise you. You are not ready, that is all."
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> ("Letters from the Masters of the Wisdom", First Series, letter 22)"
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> Pedro
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