Theos-Talk Archives (March 2004 Message tt00560)

Mar 24 2004

Actually Steve:

I was looking for the exact phrase: "Lords of KARMA" 

The descriptions on pp S D Vol 1 pp 127-8 are helpful of course. I
know them. Loka Palas Lipika, Builders, Planetary Spirits, etc...

Also the symbol of the tree -- OF WISDOM.

For all thanks.

Dal

PS --


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See also this as an additional series of thoughts:



PROMULGATION OF THEOSOPHY 




THE PROMULGATION OF THEOSOPHY

TOO much attention has been paid by several to the opinions of men in
the world who have a reputation in science and in scholarship. Their
opinions are valuable in their respective fields, but the ideas of the
world should not be permitted to dwarf our work or smother our hearts
desire. These owners of reputations do not entirely govern the progress
of the race.
The great mass of mankind are of the common people, and it is with them
we have chiefly to deal. For our message does not come only for the
scholar and the scientific man. In spite of scholars, in spite of
science, the superstitions of the people live on. And perhaps those very
superstitions are the means of preserving to us the almost forgotten
truth. Indeed, had we listened only to those learned in books, we would
long ago have lost all touch with our real life.

If we believe in our message and in the aim of the Society, we ought
never to tire telling the people that which they can understand. And the
rich as well as the poor are the people to whom I refer. They need the
help of Theosophy, for they are wandering very close to the marshes of
materialism. They must have a true ethic, a right philosophy. Tell them
of our great doctrines of Karma and Reincarnation. Tell of these with
confidence, unshaken by opinions of others, and that confidence of yours
will beget confidence in the hearer. Science and exact scholarship are
factors in our progress, but although they are important, the mass of
the people are more important still. You cannot scientifically prove
everything. But if you are sure, as so many of us are, that we are
immortal pilgrims, then tell the people plainly and practically how they
have been here before in other bodies, and will be here again to suffer
or enjoy just as they may have decided in their other life, and they
will believe it. They will soon come to that belief because these laws
are facts in nature, facts in their own real experience. Were I to
attend only to scholars, I should be able to do no other work, while all
the time my fellow-creatures--not scholars and in the vast
majority--would be deprived of the spiritual help it was my duty to give
them.

We are really working for the future, laying the foundation for a
greater day than this. We are all coming back together to carry on this
work if we now take up all our opportunities. We must act from duty now,
and thus be right for the future.

Our duty is to recognize the great human soul with which we have to deal
and for which we should work. Its progress, its experience, its inner
life, are vastly more important than all our boasted civilization. That
civilization could easily be swept away, and what would be left? Your
country could be frozen up solidly in a few weeks, were the Gulf Stream
deflected from these shores. Mines have honeycombed your land, and a
good earthquake might easily shake all your material glories to
destruction beneath the sea. What then could remain save the human
experience, the experience of the soul? But no cataclysm can destroy
your thoughts. They live on. And so all the work that you do for the
inner life of man can meet with no destruction, even though records and
books and all the ingenious works upon this outer plane were swept out
of existence. If then you believe in this mighty doctrine of
Reincarnation, do not be afraid to tell it.

But do not, as Theosophists, confine yourselves to the intellect. The
dry or the interesting speculations upon all the details of cosmogony
and anthropology will not save the world. They do not cure sorrow nor
appeal to those who feel the grinding stones of fate, and know not why
it should be so. Address yourselves therefore to using your intellectual
knowledge of these high matters, so as to practically affect the hearts
of men.

Our debt to science is very great. It has leveled the barriers and made
freedom of thought a possibility. Science is our friend, for without its
progress you would now, at the order of the bigot, all be in the common
jail. It has combated the strength and cut the claws of bigoted
churches. And even those iconoclasts, such as Robert Ingersoll, who
often violate the sentiment and ideals of many good men, have helped in
this progress, for they have done the tearing down which must precede
the building up. It is our place to supply the new structure, for the
churches are beginning to find that they must look into subjects which
once were kept out of sight. A sign of this was seen at a recent Council
of the Methodist Church in America, where their brightest lights
declared that they must accept evolution, or they would go down. The
only church which does not publicly as yet proclaim on these matters is
the Roman Catholic. It is so sly that I should not be surprised ere long
to hear of its throwing its mantle over all our doctrines publicly, and
saying that such had always been its doctrine. But if that step be taken
it will be the fatal one. So even that need give us no fear.

We are working with and for the great unseen, but actual, Brotherhood of
Humanity, and in our efforts, if sincere, will have the aid of those our
Brothers who have perfected themselves before us and are ever ready to
help on the human family. So if we are firmly fixed in that belief, we
can never weaken.

I have heard some words about our pretending to be undogmatic, or that
our claim to freedom is against the fact. I do not hold such an opinion.
Our Society is, as a body, wholly unsectarian. It must always be so. But
that does not affect the inevitable result of so many joined in one
effort. A large number of us must have come at last to a common belief.
This we can boldly say, and at the same time also that no enquirer is
obliged to subscribe to those beliefs. For this we have the warrant, not
only of our own statutes, but also that of the oft-repeated declarations
of H. P. Blavatsky. If I have a belief which works with all the problems
that vex us so much, then I will tell it to my fellow who has joined
these ranks. If wrong, the interchange of thought will correct me; if
right, the truth must at last prevail. In this, Brotherhood means
toleration of opinion, and not a fear of declaring the beliefs you hold,
nor does that declaration negative in the least the claim to
unsectarianism.
This Society is a small germ of a nucleus for a real outer Brotherhood.
If we work aright the day must come when we shall have accomplished our
aim and formed the nucleus. If we had five hundred members in the
Society loving one another with true hearts, not criticizing nor
condemning, and all bent on one aim with one belief we could sweep the
whole world with our thoughts. And this is our work in the future, the
work traced out for us by those Masters in whom so many of us firmly
believe.

If we only have patience, what a glorious, wide, and noble prospect
opens up before us!

W. Q. Judge

NOTE--This article is from an address given by Mr. Judge in London, at
the close of the European T.S. convention, July 15, 1892.




Dallas


-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Levey [mailto:stevenlevey@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 7:39 AM
To: Dallas TenBroeck
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Freedom of THOUGHT

Dal-Here is the answer to your question, from your own latter
correspondece
SD1: 128 The ancient symbol for secret knowledge was a tree, by which
scriptures of books of records was meant. The four Lords of Karma, the
Recording Angels, are the Hindu four Lipika Lords. Lipika means to
write.



Steve



----- Original Message -----
From: "Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: "AA-BNStudy" <study@blavatsky.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 6:40 AM
Subject: RE: Theos-World Re: Freedom of THOUGHT


> Mar 24 2004
>
> Dear Friends:
>
> Can someone tell me where the "LORDS OF KARMA" is mentioned in
original
> THEOSOPHY literature ?
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> How can any [personage, however exalted be a lord over an immutable,
> impartial and universal LAW ? Paradox ?
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> Help, help,
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> Dallas.
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> Dallas
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drpsionic@aol.com [mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:46 PM
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Freedom of THOUGHT
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> In a message dated 3/23/04 6:24:42 PM Central Standard Time,
> prmoliveira@yahoo.com writes:
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> <<
> Incidentally, have you ever consider a career in
> preaching? You sound very eloquent.
> >>
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> If I did that, the Lords of Karma would be very angry with you for
> suggesting
> it. Actually I try not to be eloquent very often, usually confining
my
> comments to an occasional one-liner in the hope of shaking people
loose
> from a
> position.
>
> Chuck who wants to get back to being heretical before his image gets
> shot
> completely to hell
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