Theos-Talk Archives (March 2004 Message tt00440)

Hallo Leon and all,

My views are:

I can agree entirely with you.
If any find this strange then let me know.

The Bailey dilemma in the present situation - short version:
To me the Alice A. Bailey's books is in total a design, which has served a
purpose of a certain kind - partly by attracting pro-Bailey students.
This pro-Bailey purpose is slowly becoming more and more dangerous to the
honest theosophical
cause in our present World Wide (Web) society - with Middle Eastern
tensions.
The old writings by HPB are indeed much more harmless.
But the fact is, that the newcomers keeps ignoring Blavatsky's writings, -
often because as they say:
"They are old books, and they do not relate to the time I - my self - live
in."
And because of that, their ego nature often won't care to read them. That is
unless, they have become more sincere students.
And the newcomers are in greater numbers much more attracted to the Bailey
books.
(Summit Lighthouse and their many members is a good proof of this.)

What some of the pro-Bailey's need to understand:
One of my views are, that if any pro-Bailey's are reading this and really
wants to benefit from the Bailey books,
they aught to give the Adwaita Vedanta teachings a close up - in deep -
study. Throwing in the Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads wouldn't do any
harm.
Even Bailey recommended the Bhagavad Gita in her so-called D. K. books !
(Dzogchen is often too far out to be understood by many pro-Bailey's and is
therefore not recommended. Not yet that is. That is my view.)

Theosophy and politics:
On politics - I agree with HPB when she says, that we have to fight
political corruption.
HPB says: "I am confident that, when the real nature of Theosophy is
understood, the prejudice against it, now so unfortunately prevalent, will
die out. Theosophists are of necessity the friends of all movements in the
world, whether intellectual or simply practical, for the amelioration of the
condition of mankind. We are the friends of all those who fight against
drunkenness, against cruelty to animals, against injustice to women, against
corruption in society or in government, although we do not meddle in
politics."
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/hpb-am/hpb-am1.htm

The pro-Bailey problem today year 2004:
And I agree on, that some pro-Bailey groups have been meddling too much with
politics,
- and doing so without relating - enough - to the present realities this
Planet are facing when we talk about the Middle Eastern wisdom teachings.
The work done to fuse the Middle Eastern Wisdom teachings with the
theosophical cause in the western countries have been poor
in almost all theosophical groups and especially in the pro-Bailey camp.
We live in a much more global world society and this fault has to be dealt
with by all honest theosophists who do not cling to
any theosophical book as if it was an esoteric Bible or as HPB would have
said "a fashion hat".

About scriptures and books and how Theosophy relate to them:
As H. P. Blavatsky says about how to relate to any teaching:
"We cull the good we find in each."
(The Key to Theosophy; Section 2).
That is each thought system and book. Theosophy do not reject or support,
but "cull the good we find in each".
I do hope you understand it by now.

So it is suggested, that we do less rejection and more proportion when
talking about Bailey's (D.K.'s ) books and teachings.
Thereby we create more justice towards other peoples good deeds when they
really are good or just partly good.

My manner of relating to the Bailey books is, that they contain something
good, which can be used.
But that they should NOT at all be used as an sort of esoterical Bible or
as the primary teaching on Wisdom, - and I say this -
simply because the time is not right to do so, and not anymore !

The world is not Western, Eastern, Northern, Southern, or Middle Eastern.
The Planet is a global Planet. The Internet is one of the reasons why the
Bailey books are not valid as - primary stand alone - theosophical teachings
!

This is my view.

Others are of course entitled to become all nervous about reading certain
books or even mentioning certain books and their valuable content - so that
they really do have success in crystallizing in their teachings.


from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <leonmaurer@aol.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?


>
> In a message dated 03/19/04 7:34:53 AM, global-theosophy@adslhome.dk
writes:
>
> >I have the hope, that you will realise if you not already do so, that the
> >Cleather and Crump views are allright as far as they goes.
> >But they are limited - and as my answering email
> >http://theos-talk.com/archives/200210/tt00046.html
> >sort of says - that view is frozen in time.
> >
> >--- 
> >
> >Today it is a misrable view, because it is so old, and do not deal with
> >all of the Bailey books.
> >More so we live in the year 2004, and things have indeed changed.
>
> Yes, but the ancient truths and their relationship to our inner being and
its
> self development haven't changed, nor has the evil that men do in
violation
> of its principles.
>
> And neither has the pseudo theosophical books of AAB met these problems in
> any satisfactory manner -- although there may be some useful ideas with
relation
> to occultism that could be culled out of some of it -- if taken in context
> with all the ideas and interpretations presented by all the other
literature on
> the subject written by innumerable Masters and Adepts of one school or
> another.
>
> It should be born in mind that while times and conditions have changed
> continuously over the ages, the basis of theosophy and the mysteries of
universal
> origins and its analogous relationship to our individual evolution and
spiritual
> development haven't changed in the slightest degree. Its also a basic
> violation of the fundamental principles to use theosophy as the basis of a
political
> movement. Universal Brotherhood cannot come about by dictatorial means.
In
> this respect, the AAB groups have no business being involved with the
United
> Nations, or in government of any sort.
>
> We also have to recognize that history has a tendency to repeat itself.
And,
> if this current era or age is a repeat of the age of the degenerate and
> dictatorial Roman Empire of the Pagan Caesar's (although, ostensibly a
Republic) -- 
> it seems that AAB's garbled interpretation of theosophy, and its new
Christ
> in the flesh representing a hierarchy of "descended Masters," could very
well
> be leading to the same conditions that brought about the divisive and
bloody
> age of the dictatorial Holy Roman Empire of the Christian Pope's
(although, this
> time around, clothed in the garb of a hierarchically controlled pseudo
> democracy).
>
> The present oligarchy in America, representing the "Christian majority"
and
> the powers of the Military Industrial Complex controlled by a small group
of
> them with extraordinary powers to control the mass media and the electoral
vote,
> is a perfect example of where AAB's direction of thinking can lead the
world.
>
>
> Although I disagree with AAB's political, governmental and religious views
> based on a garbled mysticism coupled with a living returned messiah to
lead the
> world out of its misery by dictatorial fiat -- along with organized group
> prayer that caters specifically to a Christian audience -- I have no
argument with
> its ultimate aims to bring about a peaceful and cooperative world based on
> good will and Universal Brotherhood. Its the means for going about it,
and the
> falsely magical occultism leading to the personification of the Hierarchy
and
> its "descended Masters" behind it that I find wanting. In that sense, I
think
> Cleather and Crump hit the nail right on the head.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Leon
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