Theos-Talk Archives (January 2004 Message tt00289)

Also of note is that the article is dated 1-14-04 and in the article Bill
Clinton is still President.



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From: "stevestubbs" <stevestubbs@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:07 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: Stop for NWO descend into slavery? Arizona prepares
for secession from U.S.


> The Grand Canyon is in Arizona. What they want to do is fill the
> thing completely with garbage (make it a landfill), then, when it is
> full, pour concrete over the top of the mess and invite members of
> the elite to build a shopping mall on top of the concrete. I wish I
> could say I am opposed to the idea, but the truth is, I have a sack
> of trash in the kitchen that I would like to get rid of.
>
> As for the rest of the state, they can secede if they want to. All
> it is is sand and tumbleweed.
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" <ringding@b...>
> wrote:
> > Arizona Prepares For
> > Secession From US
> > By Julie Foster
> > WorldNetDaily.com
> > 1-14-4
> >
> >
> > An Arizona state legislative committee has approved a resolution
> > calling for the dissolution of the federal government in the
> > event that it abolishes the U.S. Constitution, declares martial
> > law or confiscates firearms -- scenarios some say are not
> > unrealistic. Critics of the resolution, however, call the measure
> > a "total waste of time." Rep. Karen Johnson, a Mesa Republican
> > and chair of the House Committee on Federal Mandates and States'
> > Rights, authored the resolution which the committee approved 3-2.
> > Only the committee's vice-chair, Republican Rep. Gail Griffin,
> > abstained from voting.
> >
> > Specifically, House Concurrent Resolution 2034 outlines the
> > origin of the United States, emphasizing the sovereignty of the
> > states and their constitutional right to "establish a new federal
> > government for themselves by following the precedent established
> > by Article VII, Constitution of the United States, in which nine
> > of the existing thirteen states dissolved the existing Union
> > under the Articles of Confederation and automatically superceded
> > the Articles." It also articulates constitutional violations
> > committed by the federal government as justification for the
> > measure, saying "... the fifty current principals, or
> > signatories, to the [Constitution] have done well in honoring and
> > obeying it, yet the federal agent has, for decades, violated it
> > in both word and spirit. The many violations of the Constitution
> > of the United States by the federal government include disposing
> > of federal property without the approval of Congress, usurping
> > jurisdiction from the states in such matters as abortion and
> > firearms rights and seeking control of public lands within state
> > borders," says the resolution.
> >
> > By adopting HRC 2034, Arizona states its intention to dissolve
> > the current federal government with the approval of 34 other
> > states and, in essence, start over. Participating states would
> > re-ratify and re-establish the present Constitution "as the
> > charter for the formation of a new federal government, to be
> > followed by the election of a new Congress and President and the
> > reorganization of a new judiciary," in keeping with the original
> > intent of the "founding fathers." Individual members of the
> > military will return to their respective states and report to the
> > governor until a new president is elected. In addition, each
> > state will assume a prorated portion of the national debt and
> > will own all land within its borders. After the new government is
> > formed, the remaining 15 states will be permitted to join the
> > revised union upon application, as was the case with the original
> > union. A three-year veteran to the Arizona Legislature, Johnson
> > told the Sierra Times the resolution is "insurance policy." "If
> > the federal government declares martial law or attempts to
> > confiscate guns, the states shouldn't have to put up with that,"
> > she said. Joseph Stumph, well-known author and historian,
> > testified in favor of the resolution at the hearing.
> >
> > "We're proposing that if things get as bad as they could get,
> > that these states won't allow the federal government to put us
> > into a one-world government," said Stumph, who is publishing a
> > similar proposal in his home state of Utah. "I don't expect we'll
> > get 35 states to sign on. The American people are not educated
> > enough on this yet," he added. The resolution was introduced
> > Jan. 26, and now needs to be approved by the Arizona House.
> > Should HRC 2034 successfully complete the legislative process, it
> > will appear on the November ballot for voter approval. But one
> > legislator does not think the measure will be taken seriously.
> > Rep. Bill Brotherton, a Democrat member of Johnson's committee,
> > called efforts to promote the bill a "total waste of time."
> > "Obviously ... one of the more important issues we have is mental
> > health in this state," Brotherton said mockingly. "I wonder if we
> > are going to have a bill on the grassy knoll next to decide who
> > shot Kennedy." Johnson said she was asked by several Maricopa
> > County residents to look into preventing the federal government
> > from asserting power not authorized by the federal and state
> > Constitutions. To Johnson, the resolution is a watered down,
> > limited version of the "Ultimatum Resolution," written and
> > promoted by Stump. Johnson said HRC 2034 was introduced in
> > response to recent actions by the Clinton administration
> > regarding the Grand Canyon. On a recent trip to the landmark,
> > President Clinton declared three new national monuments,
> > threatening the property and livelihood of ranchers in the
> > region.
> >
> > Fears of martial law and firearm confiscation are mere
> > "conspiracy theories" to some, but in light of the elaborate
> > preparations government made for potential Y2K problems --
> > including a ready-to-sign executive order giving Clinton the
> > equivalent of dictatorial powers -- "these fears have become real
> > possibilities," according to Johnson. Johnson also made it
> > clear that the action of possible secession should only take
> > place if the federal government suspends or violates the
> > Constitution without approval from the state. "There may be
> > times when the nation may be at war, and such steps may need to
> > be taken. But the states should have a backup plan if necessary,"
> > she said. Arizona is not alone in its fears. Johnson noted
> > other legislators in other states are considering taking similar
> > steps.
> >
> > Despite her current success with HRC 2034, Johnson is not relying
> > solely on non-binding resolutions to ensure state sovereignty.
> > She has been joined by a coalition of six other Arizona state
> > representatives, private ranchers and other states' legislators
> > in a lawsuit filed against the federal government. The lawsuit
> > is an attempt to reverse creation of the Grand Canyon-Parashant
> > National Monument, which covers more than 1 million acres of
> > land, roughly the same amount as Grand Canyon National Park. The
> > group says national monument status will affect use and access to
> > its private property, which will be surrounded by the federal
> > property. It also asks the court to find the 1906 Antiquities
> > Act, used to create the Parashant monument, unconstitutional..
> > The coalition's lawyer claims the president "has taken the act to
> > the point of actually abusing the rights of people in the West."
> >
> > The act gives presidents emergency authority to protect
> > threatened federal lands or "objects of historic and scientific
> > interest," but lawyer Lana Marcussen said that in using the act
> > for a non-emergency case, the president has gone too far. Julie
> > Foster is a staff reporter for WorldNetDaily.
> >
> > Comment From Jim Mortellaro Jsmortell@a... 1-15-4 Should
> > the scenario described in this article succeed in their endeavor
> > under the conditions explained, this writer will be among the
> > first immigrants seeking citizenship there. And I'll be wearing a
> > tux for the occasion. Of course, I shall also be carrying my best
> > firearm in my best Mitch Rosen Gun Leather holster, well
> > concealed according to law. My wife Rosemarie will be carrying
> > her favorite as well. In a thigh holster designed and fabricated
> > by Mitch Rosen. Oh boy, oh boy ... I can't wait. Say, izzit
> > possible to get on the waiting list? I shall write the Arizona
> > State legislature straight away and place our applications. Only
> > one thingy, it is most important that the state allow cute French
> > Bulldogs or ... "Hell no, we won't go!" Jim, Rosemarie and Pepe
> > Mortellaro Now residing in New York State. New York's motto:
> > "It ain't hell, but you can see it from here!"
>
>
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