Theos-Talk Archives (January 2004 Message tt00288)

The Grand Canyon is in Arizona. What they want to do is fill the 
thing completely with garbage (make it a landfill), then, when it is 
full, pour concrete over the top of the mess and invite members of 
the elite to build a shopping mall on top of the concrete. I wish I 
could say I am opposed to the idea, but the truth is, I have a sack 
of trash in the kitchen that I would like to get rid of.

As for the rest of the state, they can secede if they want to. All 
it is is sand and tumbleweed.

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" <ringding@b...> 
wrote:
> Arizona Prepares For
> Secession From US
> By Julie Foster
> WorldNetDaily.com
> 1-14-4
> 
> 
> An Arizona state legislative committee has approved a resolution
> calling for the dissolution of the federal government in the
> event that it abolishes the U.S. Constitution, declares martial
> law or confiscates firearms -- scenarios some say are not
> unrealistic. Critics of the resolution, however, call the measure
> a "total waste of time." Rep. Karen Johnson, a Mesa Republican
> and chair of the House Committee on Federal Mandates and States'
> Rights, authored the resolution which the committee approved 3-2.
> Only the committee's vice-chair, Republican Rep. Gail Griffin,
> abstained from voting.
> 
> Specifically, House Concurrent Resolution 2034 outlines the
> origin of the United States, emphasizing the sovereignty of the
> states and their constitutional right to "establish a new federal
> government for themselves by following the precedent established
> by Article VII, Constitution of the United States, in which nine
> of the existing thirteen states dissolved the existing Union
> under the Articles of Confederation and automatically superceded
> the Articles." It also articulates constitutional violations
> committed by the federal government as justification for the
> measure, saying "... the fifty current principals, or
> signatories, to the [Constitution] have done well in honoring and
> obeying it, yet the federal agent has, for decades, violated it
> in both word and spirit. The many violations of the Constitution
> of the United States by the federal government include disposing
> of federal property without the approval of Congress, usurping
> jurisdiction from the states in such matters as abortion and
> firearms rights and seeking control of public lands within state
> borders," says the resolution.
> 
> By adopting HRC 2034, Arizona states its intention to dissolve
> the current federal government with the approval of 34 other
> states and, in essence, start over. Participating states would
> re-ratify and re-establish the present Constitution "as the
> charter for the formation of a new federal government, to be
> followed by the election of a new Congress and President and the
> reorganization of a new judiciary," in keeping with the original
> intent of the "founding fathers." Individual members of the
> military will return to their respective states and report to the
> governor until a new president is elected. In addition, each
> state will assume a prorated portion of the national debt and
> will own all land within its borders. After the new government is
> formed, the remaining 15 states will be permitted to join the
> revised union upon application, as was the case with the original
> union. A three-year veteran to the Arizona Legislature, Johnson
> told the Sierra Times the resolution is "insurance policy." "If
> the federal government declares martial law or attempts to
> confiscate guns, the states shouldn't have to put up with that,"
> she said. Joseph Stumph, well-known author and historian,
> testified in favor of the resolution at the hearing.
> 
> "We're proposing that if things get as bad as they could get,
> that these states won't allow the federal government to put us
> into a one-world government," said Stumph, who is publishing a
> similar proposal in his home state of Utah. "I don't expect we'll
> get 35 states to sign on. The American people are not educated
> enough on this yet," he added. The resolution was introduced
> Jan. 26, and now needs to be approved by the Arizona House.
> Should HRC 2034 successfully complete the legislative process, it
> will appear on the November ballot for voter approval. But one
> legislator does not think the measure will be taken seriously.
> Rep. Bill Brotherton, a Democrat member of Johnson's committee,
> called efforts to promote the bill a "total waste of time."
> "Obviously ... one of the more important issues we have is mental
> health in this state," Brotherton said mockingly. "I wonder if we
> are going to have a bill on the grassy knoll next to decide who
> shot Kennedy." Johnson said she was asked by several Maricopa
> County residents to look into preventing the federal government
> from asserting power not authorized by the federal and state
> Constitutions. To Johnson, the resolution is a watered down,
> limited version of the "Ultimatum Resolution," written and
> promoted by Stump. Johnson said HRC 2034 was introduced in
> response to recent actions by the Clinton administration
> regarding the Grand Canyon. On a recent trip to the landmark,
> President Clinton declared three new national monuments,
> threatening the property and livelihood of ranchers in the
> region.
> 
> Fears of martial law and firearm confiscation are mere
> "conspiracy theories" to some, but in light of the elaborate
> preparations government made for potential Y2K problems --
> including a ready-to-sign executive order giving Clinton the
> equivalent of dictatorial powers -- "these fears have become real
> possibilities," according to Johnson. Johnson also made it
> clear that the action of possible secession should only take
> place if the federal government suspends or violates the
> Constitution without approval from the state. "There may be
> times when the nation may be at war, and such steps may need to
> be taken. But the states should have a backup plan if necessary,"
> she said. Arizona is not alone in its fears. Johnson noted
> other legislators in other states are considering taking similar
> steps.
> 
> Despite her current success with HRC 2034, Johnson is not relying
> solely on non-binding resolutions to ensure state sovereignty.
> She has been joined by a coalition of six other Arizona state
> representatives, private ranchers and other states' legislators
> in a lawsuit filed against the federal government. The lawsuit
> is an attempt to reverse creation of the Grand Canyon-Parashant
> National Monument, which covers more than 1 million acres of
> land, roughly the same amount as Grand Canyon National Park. The
> group says national monument status will affect use and access to
> its private property, which will be surrounded by the federal
> property. It also asks the court to find the 1906 Antiquities
> Act, used to create the Parashant monument, unconstitutional..
> The coalition's lawyer claims the president "has taken the act to
> the point of actually abusing the rights of people in the West."
> 
> The act gives presidents emergency authority to protect
> threatened federal lands or "objects of historic and scientific
> interest," but lawyer Lana Marcussen said that in using the act
> for a non-emergency case, the president has gone too far. Julie
> Foster is a staff reporter for WorldNetDaily.
> 
> Comment From Jim Mortellaro Jsmortell@a... 1-15-4 Should
> the scenario described in this article succeed in their endeavor
> under the conditions explained, this writer will be among the
> first immigrants seeking citizenship there. And I'll be wearing a
> tux for the occasion. Of course, I shall also be carrying my best
> firearm in my best Mitch Rosen Gun Leather holster, well
> concealed according to law. My wife Rosemarie will be carrying
> her favorite as well. In a thigh holster designed and fabricated
> by Mitch Rosen. Oh boy, oh boy ... I can't wait. Say, izzit
> possible to get on the waiting list? I shall write the Arizona
> State legislature straight away and place our applications. Only
> one thingy, it is most important that the state allow cute French
> Bulldogs or ... "Hell no, we won't go!" Jim, Rosemarie and Pepe
> Mortellaro Now residing in New York State. New York's motto:
> "It ain't hell, but you can see it from here!"