Theos-Talk Archives (January 2004 Message tt00283)

In a message dated 01/17/04 11:51:33 AM, mhart@idirect.ca writes:

>Leon wrote: <<With the entire system 
>spinning, in a clockwise and 
>counterclockwise direction, 
>perpendicular to their common pole drawn 
>through their points of origin, and 
>intersection.>>
>
>But if that's talking in two dimensional 
>terms, to begin with, one might wonder 
>about how such fragmented views might 
>relate to fuller/full dimensionality ... 
>I'm guessing that theories such as ABC's 
>might be meant as "exoteric versions," 
>basically, (much like "exoteric versions 
>of Theosophy," I tend to suspect), so if 
>one were to apply something like an 
>"intuitive just-being" technique toward 
> ... 
>w/Whatever, then, maybe ...
>
>Speculatively,
>Mauri

Actually, I was talking in multidimensional terms. I also said that the 
point was spinning on an infinite number of axes -- so all the two dimensional 
circular spins, when emanated and expressed directionally out of initial 
spinergy, must become spherical... And, further, continue on to involve additional 
multidimensional hyperspace spheres that are fractally inside one another like 
Chinese boxes. If that isn't "fuller/full dimensionality" -- you tell me what 
else it is?

But, apparently, you continue to insist on taking statements out of context 
-- which leads you to keep on circling around in your two dimensional world of 
know nothingness or "intuitive just-being"... And, with your negative 
speculations -- limit everyone else's thinking to the narrow views of all debunkers 
and skeptics. 

The unanswered questions you leave hanging in the air, are; 
"... being" -- what? 
"... acquiring some sort of experiential level" -- how? 
"... of understanding" -- what? 

The problem appears to be; 
Looking at everything from such a one or two dimensional circular and 
dualistic (esoteric-exoteric) speculative view -- without any understanding of what 
we are looking at (or what relationship those two terms have with one another) 
-- which means you (or anyone else who follows that kind of thinking) can 
never be able to see the forest for the trees. Therefore, speculating, as you do, 
in open forum, without conclusions or knowledge of what you are speculating 
about, is no better than the blind trying to lead the blind.

The errors are; 
Trusting our own intuition (which, out of basic ignorance, can often be dead 
wrong), and not being wise enough to test and temperate it with our reason... 
Those errors certainly can be corrected by trying to concentrate and meditate 
on visualizing and understanding abstract "esoteric" (that are so because, we 
can only understand them through our own mental perception) realities -- that 
must be "exoterically" (because that's the only way they can be) explained to 
us by those who know what they are talking about -- because they have already 
done that work for themselves (vide; HPB's teachings in the SD). 

Therefore, your constant haranguing denigration of such "exoteric" 
explanations of occult reality does great insult to that work of HPB -- which the Maste
rs said was essential to know thoroughly, before one can become "enlightened" 
and "self-realized"... That is the "real" purpose of theosophy and its study, 
isn't it? 

By the way, they were talking to us Westerners who already were too stuck in 
materialism to be able to be able to reach such wisdom the long, slow, Eastern 
yogic or zazen meditative way. Their purpose was to give us a chance to 
achieve such power of knowledge and wisdom, and become an effective "nucleus of 
Universal Brotherhood" in this lifetime -- so we might help avoid the inevitable 
world catastrophic collapse they saw our winner-take-all, and Earth despoiling 
Western civilization leading us to. 

So, if you think your "just-being" way is better than theirs, then just show 
us how that path works, and what it can lead to (other than foolishly thinking 
you are gaining any knowledge, or wisdom, or enlightenment, or 
self-realization from it. :-) 

I hope this can help straighten out your loose, circular and speculative 
thinking that can lead students of theosophy nowhere (and leastwise, yourself). 
And, maybe, also, help you find your way to "esoteric" knowledge (through 
concentrated study of "exoteric" teachings of occult realities) -- so you can stop 
scratching your head in utter confusion, and pulling everyone else into the 
same sinking boat with you. :-)

Best wishes,

Leon