Theos-Talk Archives (December 2003 Message tt00402)

Hallo Leon and all,

My views are:

We do not disagree. We agree a lot on the below.
My email was also written to other readers at theos-talk as well.

The arab language and culture has not really been dealt with by Blavatsky
in her many writings. The reason being that at her time of writing
not many middle eastern scriptures was translated to european languages.
Blavatsky says that in The Secret Doctrine.
Today this situation has changed. And because of that
a new Secret Doctrine would be a different one on this issue.
--- What I was referring to was, the lack of content on her writings on this
issue. ---

The fact is that smoking cigarets is today a - socalled - no good.
At Blavatsky's time it was accepted and no health issues was talked about in
public.
Some students do not realise this - and dismiss Blavatsky because of that.
And some say they are wrong.
--- I was referring to the following: At Blavatsky's time drugs and
narcotics wasn't
such a big problem as it can be said to be today. Time has changed the
issues of
importance. A new Secret Doctrine would indeed have to relate much more to
this issue -
narcotics and drugs. (Even the Alice A. Bailey dreamers would have to
rewrite their
Bailey "bibles" on that one.) ---

Yes: Time is running out.
But when ?
Time is running out on The United Nations relations to religious and
esotrical groups.
Time is running out on theosophists and theosophical groups who thinks in
terms of - business as usual -
and the like.

My view: Do not worry about overpopulation - worry about the minds of people
and the leaders.
If the minds become less dangerous or ignorant we can all live together more
easily and be many on this
planet - allthough the planet will change because of it.
If we all should - be afraid for this chaos you talk about - it would or
more likely could hamper our
ability to do something good.
It will all come around nicely. The reason is: God is real !

The big problem is that emotional attraction to cults or true spiritual
organisations runs the show.
Common sense do not.
Blavatsky also mentioned this in her article: Is Theosophy a Religion?
http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/IsTheosophyAReligion.htm


My view:
One could start a new --- theosophical group or organisation - a new
tract --- 
in a clear manner placing Adyar and other orthodox theosophists into the
past...
But the group would only attract people if it was supported by certain
initiates.
Such a tract or group would have to relate to the United Nations and
politics and Alice A. Bailey's writings in a more CLEAR
and consise manner - else it would not be helpful or attract the needed
pull.
Science and theosophical parascience would as you say have to be related to
in a new and much more up to date light --- while
with emphasis remembering that continous intellectualisation of thoughts
limits the development of manas and a wisdom.
What is your view ?

What the student wants to learn is quite often not what the student -
spiritually needs - to learn.
This obstacle can only be cleared if we teach according to the
individual --- and form 7 paths (SD vol. 1) to follow
in a group which has 7 branches. and make them public i a required manner -
and within one group. Today they are not.
Almost only some of the Bailey groups follow this view in their quite often
own twisted and distorted manner.
Distorted because they are culturally not acting towards creating peaceful
relations on this planet.


Please let us not worry about the future.
To me it is quite bright - and I want to share with you this knowledge I
have on this.
I have now done that.
I am happy for you all - because of what will happen to all of us. It has in
fact already happended.
Let maya be unveiled and the time transcended and the light let in.



from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <leonmaurer@aol.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Theosophical Teachings vs. Theosophical Movement


> In a message dated 12/16/03 10:17:58 AM, global-theosophy@adslhome.dk
writes:
>
> >My disagreement is on
> >a) How different groups and especially groups in general adapts the
> >theosophical teachings to time, place and people year 2003.
> >How they promote on speech, writing and other communications the
> >theosophical timeless wisdom. To promote TRUTH which is without form
> >by the use of form - requires that one adapts the teachings to time,
place
> >and people. To use the english language on an arab newcomer will not
always
> >proove healthy ! (Do you not agree ?)
>
> Pretty much so. But, I don't think that translating the Secret Doctrine
into
> Arabic is such a bad idea. I also don't think that its metaphysics, the
> fundamental principles, or the ethical or moral implications have changed
over the
> last 25,000 years. :-) Nor has its relationship to modern science, as
they
> are approaching the theosophical metaphysics, changed. Nor is such
science any
> different in Arabia than it is in Europe, China, Japan or America. I'm
sure
> that if the Arab languages could be transliterated into English with no
loss
> of meaning, such as the poems of Rumi and the teachings of Hazrat Inayat
Khan,
> and other Sufi scholars have been interpreted in English -- then the
Secret
> Doctrine can also be interpreted in Arabic or Parsi or any other Persian
or
> Islamic language. In fact, Arabic, as the language of the ancient Persian
> science, is much closer to Sanskrit than English is. But, that could only
be done by
> a modern Persian Sufi with the language skills of a WQJ, at the least.
>
> b) One shouldn't only relate the theosophical teachings with - present
> >day science when fitting. Or present day science with the further
> >developments of science presentations by various quality theosophical
> >writers.
> >Spiritual Designs - a la Idries Shah and other authors could or should
also
> >be taken into account. Also spiritual authors on issues like
Brainwashing.
> >These issue could then if possible be compared with science. But
spiritual
> >designs like the ones Idries Shah has made in his books is in fact a
> >science which is not understood in the Western countries and if so then
only
> >on superficial level in many circles.
> >Also Sai Baba's teachings on the Heart Doctrine of Gupta Vidya is for
sure
> >an expansion on the teaching which so far has been forwarded by any
> >theosophist since Blavatsky's days. (But of course the romours - whether
> >true or not - surrounding Sai Baba makes his teachings look unimportant
> >to many - even if he truely has helped many people.)
>
> Nothing wrong with absorbing those teacher's views, and seeing the Truths
of
> theosophy from such differing angles. Everyone's karma is different and
these
> truths have to be seen from each person's individual point of view -- 
which
> may be preconditioned by their particular ethnic and cultural upbringing,
their
> basis of native language, their current religious beliefs, etc.
>
> As for the teacher's personal life or foibles -- which may or may not be
> considered evil, immoral, or unethical in one culture or another. What
difference
> does that make to the validity of his teachings, or the help he can give
to
> those who accept him for what he is, and understands the truths of what he
is
> teaching?
>
> >c) Also the use of drugs - science relation to that - and also
theosophical
> >teachings on this issue seems important. "Smoking" is one option !
> >But of course some theosophist don't like to talk about what they
themselves
> >find to be - hot issues.
>
> No big deal... What has that got to do with the extent of ones spiritual
> knowledge? One of my most profound teachers was a consummate alcoholic.
Another
> one, A Darwish, couldn't live without his opium and his hashish. And a
> third, a brilliant scientist, philosopher, and Shaman seemed to spill out
his most
> profound insights only when he was surrounded by Marihuana smoke.:-) And,
> some of my insights, in the earliest days of my study of theosophy, came
when I
> was experimentally smoking pot and hashish back in the 60's and studying
the
> Eastern mystics before I got into theosophy. That is, until I learned how
to
> control those particular brain channels that lead to direct spiritual
vision
> (which was opened by the psychotropic action of the herbal chemicals)
without
> such help. Science knows that some of those same chemical analogs are
> manufactured by the brain, and may certainly contribute to our inner
awakenings during
> deep meditation. The main problem with any of such drugs is their
habitual
> use, which, like everything else not done in moderation, can lead to both
> physical and mental harm. The trick is to not let them become a habitual
crutch, or
> use them indiscriminately, and harmfully for pointless recreation
purposes.
>
> In any event, such acceleration of learning, sometimes helped by
psychoactive
> drugs, but preferably by intelligent self induction methods, could be
> particularly important during this period of rapid changes in all fields
of knowledge
> -- due to the ever accelerating asymptotic curve of scientific and
> technological developments during the past quarter century. It isn't this
material
> science we have to learn, however, but the true science of Gupta Vidya.
(See my
> current letter, following up the one below, referring to one of my science
gurus
> and his accelerated initiation -- that had to be done that way due to his
> unusual karma.)
>
> The big problem is ... That our time is really running out -- more and
more
> rapidly each day that we procrastinate, while we wait for someone else to
> fulfill the purpose of the Theosophical Movement. Before we know it, the
> approaching asymptote of science, technology, and population growth, may
reach their
> peak, beyond which the Earth can no longer support them. And, then, it
might be
> too late to do anything to divert the forces of approaching world
collapse...
> When the accumulation and propinquity of things and people, including
their
> waste products and conversions of natural resources into poisons spewed
> throughout the Earths biosphere become so condensed in time and space by
the
> instantaneity of cause and effect -- that quantum-like microscopic
indeterminacy
> effects will begin to spill over into the macro universe... Leading to the
> unpredictability and disorder of fundamental nature kicking back, and
forcing every
> predictable thing that our material civilization depends on to maintain
itself -- 
> to come tumbling down in one resounding crash -- like Humpty Dumpty.
>
> Mankind's salvation, during this soon to come time of chaos, might be only
if
> enough true "Theosophists" are able to avoid this disruption, and come
> together in new forms of self guided proactive groups capable of helping
reorganize
> the world into a new form of civilization based on universal brotherhood
> within a practical unity in diversity -- so as to protect, as well as
teach and
> guide the new 6th sub-race (that is destined to rise, like the phoenix,
out of
> the ashes of the old one) in its infancy. How many of them are confusedly
> wandering around today in a haze of drugs, alcohol, sex, and a slew of
other vices,
> fed by the mass media, computer games, and instant communication -- who
have
> no idea where they are going or what is happening in the world around
them?
> Many of them are even being sent off to war without the faintest idea of
what
> they are fighting, being mutilated, or dying for.
>
> Can theosophists watch this happening without shedding a tear and doing
> something about it? Or, are we to continually go on being spectators of
the world
> scene and looking out only for our own personal salvation?
>
> >Then we see the use of the words "smokescreening" and "clouding" the
> >issue take their installment in the various "business as usual"
theosophical
> >groups - and a karmic circle are revealed to all of us who doesn't
"smoke".
>
> Either those groups start taking a common path of action that has already
> been shown to them by the Masters and HPB. Or, they will become, as HPB
> predicted, caught up in the backwash of the coming world karma and left
stranded on
> the beach of vain regrets, while mankind is set back another million years
of
> evolution -- as HPB warned. Maybe that's the problem. The clouds and
> smokescreens are in the minds of those group followers who think that the
purpose of
> theosophy was to found a new religion, or for the individual salvation of
its
> members rather than as a "movement" to spread broadcast the teachings that
> underlie the idea of brotherhood and promote the steady progression of
human
> evolution and guide it through the confusing period of transformation from
one
> evolutionary level to another. A dangerous period when such evolution
could
> inadvertently be cut off in the bud due to our ignorance of our own true
natures and
> our origins. That is, to give us the means whereby individual "nuclei"
can
> come together to form the "seed" and "bud" that ultimately will lead to
the
> final "flower" of Universal Brotherhood, along with the "Paradise on
Earth" that
> HPB said was the goal of the Theosophical Movement.
>
> >Do mind. Do matter.
> >
> >Pull yourselves together and face the facts. Business as ussual are not
> >an healthy option year 2003.
>
> You can say that again. We certainly agree that "now is the time for all
> good men to come to the aid of their world." But that new form of
business may
> have to be decided on soon by each of us individually, first within our
own
> karmic circles, and then spread broadcast as far out as we can reach. It
may
> already be that the handwriting is on the wall -- and the juggernaut of
all our
> past accumulative racial karma, is getting too momentous to be diverted...
> Unless a good proportion of the people of the world can start pulling
together in
> the same direction. Our real purpose, as individual theosophists working
> together to polish our means and methods, is to teach them what they need
to know
> about the truths underlying the necessity of brotherhood, and show them
how to
> express it -- by our example alone -- without preaching or proselytizing a
> new religion.
>
> >But to keep Blavatsky's writings intact and use them as a vital core
> >teaching - would not be stupid to at least some groups. - I think we can
> >agree on that.
> >As she said about thought-systems: "We cull the good we find in each."
>
> "... and, gather them together, as a bouquet of flowers, into one
consistent
> and unassailable Truth." No disagreement with that. But any group that
> thought it was stupid, would not be teaching the true Gupta Vidya that
would be
> needed to support the independently free thinking yet undivided world that
the
> Masters envisioned and Blavatsky wrote about for them -- and us.
>
> LHM
> with hope for the future through remembrance of the past, and appropriate
> wise action in the present.
>
> >from
>
> .M. Sufilight with peace and love...
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>
> From: <leonmaurer@aol.com>
>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
>
> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 9:21 PM
>
> Subject: Theos-World Theosophical Teachings vs. Theosophical Movement
>
>
>
> > In a message dated 12/07/03 2:12:07 PM, global-theosophy@adslhome.dk
>
> writes:
>
> >
>
> > >b) Quoteing --- The Secret Doctrine vol1. page xxxviii INTRODUCTORY.:
>
> > >"...The same may be said of the whole Esoteric system. One turn of the
>
> key,
>
> > >and no more, was given in "Isis." Much more is explained in these
>
> volumes.
>
> > >In those days the writer hardly knew the language in which the work was
>
> > >written, and the disclosure of many things, freely spoken about now,
was
>
> > >forbidden. In Century the Twentieth some disciple more informed, and
far
>
> > >better fitted, may be sent by the Masters of Wisdom to give final and
>
> > >irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science called Gupta-Vidya; and
>
> that,
>
> > >like the once-mysterious sources of the Nile, the source of all
religions
>
> > >and philosophies now known to the world has been for many ages
forgotten
>
> > >and lost to men, but is at last found..."
>
> > >http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd1-0-in.htm (or try ULT's
online
>
> > >edition).
>
> > >
>
> > >Who has since 1975 taught Gupta-Vidya on a high and compassionate level
?
>
> >
>
> > Dear Sufi,
>
> >
>
> > Perhaps you should read more carefully what HPB said about the Masters
of
>
> > Wisdom "sending some disciple more informed, and far better fitted to
give
>
> >
>
> > FINAL AND IRREFUTABLE PROOFS that there exists a SCIENCE called
>
> > Gupta-Vidya."
> >
>
> > That statement does NOT say sending more of the Gupta-Vidya -- which has
>
> > already been given out on the highest and compassionate level since time
>
> > immemorial, and can never be added to or subtracted from.
>
> >
>
> > A PROOF of the science of Gupta-Vidya is not the same as changing or
>
> > adding to the Theosophical teachings -- but is simply a verification of
> them.
>
> >
>
> > "Irrefutable proof," means exactly what it says. And such a proof,
which,
> as
>
> > HPB pointed out, means a demonstration that the SCIENCE of GUPTA-VIDYA
>
> > --already completely given out as thoroughly as it could be in the
Secret
>
> > Doctrine, as well as in all the references to all the ancient scriptures
> within
>
> > it -- is the final TRUTH of the way the Universe really is and actually
> works.
>
> >
>
> > So, who is it that must bring such a proof?
>
> >
>
> > Why, a knowledgeable scientist (who may also be a theosophist) of
course.
>
> > Who else can devise a new scientific concept of reality that synthesizes
>
> > all the modern sciences of today into a "Grand Unified Field Theory of
>
> > Everything" (including consciousness and mind) -- that completely
confirms
>
> > the theosophical metaphysics of Cosmogenesis and Anthropogenesis?
>
> > Wouldn't that, in its final analysis, be the complete Science of
> Gupta-Vidya,
>
> > as stated unequivocally in the Book of the Golden Precepts -- 
>
> > which includes both the Book of Dzyan and the Voice of the Silence?
>
> > And, what more could anyone add to that totality?
>
> >
>
> > Isn't it obvious that, once such a new scientific paradigm merging and
>
> > synthesizing all the modern sciences of relativity, quantum physics,
>
> > biology, psychology, evolution, anthropology, physiology, chemistry,
etc., '
> > and linking them to the epistemology and ontology of mind and
>
> > consciousness, can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt -- 
>
> > and such a new paradigm becomes accepted as the true
>
> > basis of reality by all scientific disciplines -- it will also be
accepted
>
> > by all of mankind?... And, with it, all the truths of reincarnation and
>
> > karma, as well as all the moral and ethical precepts they imply -- 
>
> > compassion included?
>
> >
>
> > Therefore, isn't it also quite obvious that the "teaching" of theosophy
and
>
> > the "proof" of theosophical science are two different things, although
>
> > interrelated? And, that the "New Messenger" and the "New Message" has
>
> > nothing to do with adding to or changing the Science of Gupta-Vidya
itself?
>
> >
>
> > All that will be accomplished by such a Messenger and Message, is to
> finalize
>
> > the Three Objects of the Theosophical Movement -- of which the Science
of
>
> > Gupta-Vidya is simply the rock upon which they stand.
>
> >
>
> > Any additions brought to us with respect to the fundamental teachings
>
> > themselves, would simply be applicable to that understanding of the
means
>
> > whereby each individual can attain enlightenment and self-realization -- 
> > "so as to be better able to help and teach others" -- which each of us
>
> > must find for ourselves through "our own individual self devised and
self
>
> > determined efforts"...
>
>
> > The final answers for which can only come through direct contact with
one's
>
> > Master within (with or without guidance from both living and dead
Masters
>
> > or Adepts). "Self-realization" belongs to each of us, as indivdual
> "nuclii" of
>
> > universal brotherhood -- and not to our groups, the world, or Mankind
and
>
> > its evolution -- which is what the Theosophical Movement is concerned
with.
>
> > (Although,if we all were self-realized, the world would also be.)
>
> >
>
> > As an added thought, perhaps the Messenger who came in 1975 was one of
the
>
> > known or unknown scientists who first suggested multidimensional "string
>
> > theory" that could soon lead to the final experiment that proves the
> universe is
>
> > and works exactly the way it was explained in the Secret Doctrine.
>
> >
>
> > Incidentally, the final step that marries consciousness and mind to the
>
> > physical multidimensional hyperspace theory of Superstrings and M-branes
>
> > (today's contender as the final Theory of Everything) was first
conceived
> by
>
> > me in 1975 as the "theory of ABC" (based on the teachings I received
>
> > from a now deceased nuclear physicist, Dr. Philip Sebastian Percheron,
who
>
> > was, besides a theosophist, an ordained Lama of the Nyingmapa, a nephew
of
>
> > Gurdjieff, a personal friend of the late Panchen Lama, and the designer
>
> > of the trigger mechanism on the Hiroshima A-bomb).
>
> >
>
> > Could "Doc Perch" be the New Messenger HPB was talking about? Could his
>
> > "message" to and through me, be his final restitution for the karma he
> created
>
> > back in 1945? And, am I, as well as those theosophists and scientists
who
>
> > read my stuff and might act on it, just one of the many "agents" or
> "companions"
>
> > that the Masters would have to place around any such Messenger -- who,
>
> > like HPB, couldn't expect to be here when such a message would be
fulfilled?
>
> >
>
> > I'll leave it to you (along with the rest of us) to mull over all this
and
>
> > decide whether or not you agree that we have been talking, all along,
about
> two
>
> > different things. That is, the Theosophical Teachings vs. the
Theosophical
>
> > Movement -- which like consciousness and matter are ever to be
separated,
>
> > but always dependent on each other -- as above, so below.
>
> >
>
> > With that, I will continue to do my work toward helping prove the
Science
>
> > of Gupta-Vidya -- with the hope that you (and others of like mind) will
> continue
>
> > to do your best in reinterpreting and "spread broadcasting" the
teachings in
>
> > "the language of this age" so that it may be understandable to all those
of
>
> > differing ethnic and cultural backgrounds as well as karma. Some of
them,
>
>
> > could be among those who assist in helping prove the Science of
> Gupta-Vidya,
> > as well as carry on the further development of the Theosophical Movement
>
> > towardachieving the final Universal Brotherhood of all Humanity -- long
> after
>
> > both you and I have left this short scene in the vast history of the TM.
>
> >
>
> > Thank you for your input and questions -- that allowed me to further
>
> > clarify these matters.
>
> >
>
> > Best wishes,
>
> >
>
> > LHM
>
> >
>
>
>
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