Theos-Talk Archives (November 2003 Message tt00154)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "adelasie" <adelasie@s...> wrote:
> Dear Friends,
> 
> Surely it is good to have a wide and deep perspective in matters 
of 
> occultism. The farther back we can step from the particulars, the 
> more able we are to catch a glimpse of the pattern of the vast 
mosaic 
> that composes humanity and all it's causes and effects. While it 
is 
> certainly true that karma is perfect, that whatever occurs has a 
> cause and generates an effect, we get into trouble when we start 
> saying that people who suffer deserved it. The Master says, "Learn 
to 
> love the pain," and possibly, when we evolve to a level of 
> consciousness in which we can embrace that maxim wholeheartedly, 
we 
> will be more able to accept the thought of self-responsibility. In 
> the meantime, the other side of the coin is that no matter whether 
> the suffering of our brother or sister is earned or not (not 
really 
> our concern, as our job is to accept responsibility for our own 
> actions, not to pass judgement on others), the Law of Love extends 
to 
> all humanity. Those who serve as the agents of a karma which deals 
> out tremendous suffering to others are definitely piling up some 
of 
> the same for themselves. We always have a choice. We can always 
> choose love instead of hate. 
> 
> Best wishes to all,
> Adelasie

If you prefer ignorance and innocence as a shield then why are you 
seeking to be an occultist or student of? And yes, with knowledge 
of these things comes pain to the knower. You seem to leave this out 
of the equation. It was the Buddha who suffered deeply at the 
knowledge of his karma and how karma worked in general in others.

That is why the path of occultism belongs to the lion-hearted. There 
is a river of tears and pain behind those who ascend the ladder and 
see the whole plan from a higher plane. I apologize for leaving out 
those details but I don't think anyone is interested in my suffering 
or suffering I have caused.

The Middle Path is a function of seeing the suffering of humanity, 
seeing the true past of evil one has done (the Dweller on the 
threshold) and been done to him/her and not losing the balance and 
falling off. This lack of understanding on your part shows me that 
you have yet to stand there.

Namaste

Netemara
> On 18 Nov 2003 at 12:03, netemara888 wrote:
> 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Bart Lidofsky <bartl@s...> 
wrote: >
> > netemara888 wrote: > > You got it partly right Etzion, that it 
has a
> > forward motion, but > > that is not how I see it. Many groups and
> > races die out, are killed > > out and genocided out for 
evolutionary
> > reasons. This made HPB very > > unpopular as we all know. Why 
can't we
> > see the Holocaust of the Jews > > as another stripe in this 
pattern?
> > Why can't we see that Jews and > > Africans had a spiritual 
cleansing
> > to go through which resulted in > > loss of millions? It matters 
not
> > the vehicle of genocide (Hitler or > > the Spanish) but the next
> > cycle. > > Because you are making an assumption that they had a
> > spiritual > cleansing, but we KNOW that they were murdered, and 
saying
> > that they had > a spiritual cleansing partially absolves the
> > murderers. > > Bart
> > 
> > That is why it is called the wheel of rebirth and therefore a 
cycle.
> > Those who are the instruments of destruction were created and 
put here
> > just as those whom they victimize. One cannot be on the 
receiving end
> > if one were not at one time on the giving end. That is all I 
have to
> > say about it. This I know to be truth. Giving labels to events in
> > history is something that is created just as racial classes are
> > created for political power. But people point to the Bible and 
say God
> > ordained separation of the races. So more than not labeling and
> > categorizing is way in which humanity has deal psychologically 
with
> > things that are taboo or ugly. 
> > 
> > At one time the "evil" and "Black magic" overtook the ethers and 
the
> > world was destroyed (such as it was) and that cataclysm is also
> > recorded in not only the Bible but in all the epics and myths of 
all
> > cultures. Who do ya think was doing all that evil? Somebody.
> > 
> > Not knowing the law of gravity does not change its affect on us.
> > 
> > Netemara