Theos-Talk Archives (November 2003 Message tt00089)

Nov 7 2003

Dear Friends:

Re: Meeting others:

Examine your own motives. Are they selfish or unselfish?  

Is your contribution asked for, is it useful, is it of service to
others? Or are you forcing it on others? Of course they have to choose
to read or not to read also. 

No one is asked to pretend to be something other than what they are.
That is dissimulation and worthless in my esteem.

The question is always of moderation in all things. 

Best wishes,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Morten Nymann Olesen [mailto:global-theosophy@adslhome.dk] 
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 5:26 AM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World En: vegetarianism

Hallo Dallas and all of you,

My views:

Generally I agree a lot with your below words.

But what about the Theosophist, who do not have to eat anything ?

Such a Theosophist will have to consider who to mingle with and who not.
The questions are:
Should I mingle with the Theosophist to be sweet towars the Theosophists
and
his or her good deeds, (i.e. not eating meat and all.)
Should I mingle with the barbarians - the meat-eaters to help them - or
shouldn't I ?
Or should I mingle with both groups - and is it possible under all
circumstances ?
And maybe I shouldn't mingle with such disbelievers at all ?

Eating vegetables is better than eating meat - I agree.
Milk are allowed - we are in Kali-Yuga, the time of the Master Avatar
Krishna.
(By the way the notorious Sai Baba allows milk within vegatarianism.
Baba
also
allows - Sattwic - food, saying there is no rule of thumb on eating meat
or
not, but not eating is best.)
Anyway - eating too much is unhealthy.
Sometimes even eating is unhealthy.

Bad thoughts are much worse than wrong eating-patterns !


Happy smiles are offered...


from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "W. Dallas TenBreoeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: "AA-BN--Study" <study@blavatsky.net>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:51 PM
Subject: RE: Theos-World En: vegetarianism


> Friday, November 07, 2003
>
> Dear Friends:
>
> Re: Diet and vegetarianism.
>
> Could we not conclude there is a difference between motives?
>
> To be a non-meat eater may imply pity and compassion for the brutes,
or
> it can mean a selfish desire to purify one's bodily and physical make
up
> -- for some personal purpose, whether supposedly occult, or esoteric
or
> whatever.
>
> The main point is that we use and support our bodies through food
based
> on our knowledge of dietary results. How accurate are such results?
> Who has tested them?
>
> What and why does THEOSOPHY recommend vegetarianism?
>
> Might it have something to do with Monadic evolution and the part we
> play as "Manasic" beings in this?
>
> The theosophical premise is that we, as an eternal Monad, living at
this
> period in a specific body, which we have "built" out of our past
karmic
> relations with other "monads of lesser experience," act now, today,
as
> a basis for their progress. We depend on them for providing us with a
> physical and astral basis for reincarnation, and they depend on us for
> spiritual or psychic guidance and leadership. This is all internal to
> us, of course. But it worth considering as theosophy presents these
> considerations.
>
> Is being a VEGAN recommended? Are dairy products "forbidden?" etc...
> Consider carefully how the process of milk and eggs, etc are now
> mechanized much to the unnatural distress of the animal involved -- a
> slavery that approaches the greatest indifference to the actual well
> being of those animals that are forced to assist in producing those
> foods -- and when judged to be uneconomical, they are executed ,and
> their meat offered as food on the markets of the world. Quite a
> generous repayment for that slavery, don't you think? Can one
imagine
> the imprint of such living and forced death psychically, on the atoms
> and monadic elementals involved in the forms of those foods? And they
> go into us, and there in our bodies, they find a refuge for similar
> psychic influences.
>
> Mr. Judge succinctly offered a common sense solution. He said in one
> place:: What comes out of a man's mouth is more important than what
> goes into it.
>
> Occultly THEOSOPHY says that meats feed the Kamic (desire and passion)
> nature. Are we in "control" of our psychic desires and passions
(Kama)?
>
> What is the nature of our "mind?" How do we use and direct it? Who is
> the director of our minds? Is our psychic and moral nature involved?
And
> on that basis what would be an ideal diet?
>
> As to our bodies. We all know that very few of us are medical men or
> women, and, we know more or less of the science that works in and
> through the body. Yet with all that detail, our bodies (even those of
> the most ignorant of us) carry on the intricate process of digestion,
> redesigning, and distribution of nutrients through our blood system,
the
> elimination of spent or undesirable substances, and all this that
passes
> through the alimentary canal is subject to the knowledge and wisdom of
> the bodily operations of which we are largely ignorant.
>
> THEOSOPHY points to the more subtle electro-magnetic "astral body," on
> which the physical body is based molecularly, and cellularly speaking.
> It also speaks of the influence that our feelings and thoughts
(motives)
> have on those energic bodies. So we have the glimmerings of a basis
for
> controlling that which we place in our mouths as food. It also
> recognizes the innate intelligence operating in a body, when healthy
or
> diseased, and respects it.
>
> THEOSOPHY is not dogmatic about anything, leaving to each individual
the
> responsibility for assisting or impeding their own bodily states. It
> does indicate that there is much more to the selection of one's diet
> than mere physiological, scientific reasons. These ideas merely open
> some doors for our consideration in how we treat ourselves.
>
> The inner attitude of a person is of prime consideration and that is
> largely based on the aspirations and motives one employs in living
one's
> personal life.
>
> The responsibility we have for our bodies is to supply them with the
> best available nourishment, taking all we learn into consideration.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dallas
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Morten
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 2:10 AM
> To:
> Subject: En: vegetarianism
>
> Hallo everyone,
>
> A view:
>
> It could be that a hardcore vegetarian Theosophist quite often
resembles
> a
> refined barbarian with either no or only a small amount of
understanding
> of
> social behaviour. True ?
>
> The readers will have to decide that.
>
> from
> M.
>
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