Theos-Talk Archives (November 2003 Message tt00086)

Hallo Dallas and all of you,

My views:

Generally I agree a lot with your below words.

But what about the Theosophist, who do not have to eat anything ?

Such a Theosophist will have to consider who to mingle with and who not.
The questions are:
Should I mingle with the Theosophist to be sweet towars the Theosophists and
his or her good deeds, (i.e. not eating meat and all.)
Should I mingle with the barbarians - the meat-eaters to help them - or
shouldn't I ?
Or should I mingle with both groups - and is it possible under all
circumstances ?
And maybe I shouldn't mingle with such disbelievers at all ?

Eating vegetables is better than eating meat - I agree.
Milk are allowed - we are in Kali-Yuga, the time of the Master Avatar
Krishna.
(By the way the notorious Sai Baba allows milk within vegatarianism. Baba
also
allows - Sattwic - food, saying there is no rule of thumb on eating meat or
not, but not eating is best.)
Anyway - eating too much is unhealthy.
Sometimes even eating is unhealthy.

Bad thoughts are much worse than wrong eating-patterns !


Happy smiles are offered...


from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "W. Dallas TenBreoeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: "AA-BN--Study" <study@blavatsky.net>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:51 PM
Subject: RE: Theos-World En: vegetarianism


> Friday, November 07, 2003
>
> Dear Friends:
>
> Re: Diet and vegetarianism.
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> Could we not conclude there is a difference between motives?
>
> To be a non-meat eater may imply pity and compassion for the brutes, or
> it can mean a selfish desire to purify one's bodily and physical make up
> -- for some personal purpose, whether supposedly occult, or esoteric or
> whatever.
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> The main point is that we use and support our bodies through food based
> on our knowledge of dietary results. How accurate are such results?
> Who has tested them?
>
> What and why does THEOSOPHY recommend vegetarianism?
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> Might it have something to do with Monadic evolution and the part we
> play as "Manasic" beings in this?
>
> The theosophical premise is that we, as an eternal Monad, living at this
> period in a specific body, which we have "built" out of our past karmic
> relations with other "monads of lesser experience," act now, today, as
> a basis for their progress. We depend on them for providing us with a
> physical and astral basis for reincarnation, and they depend on us for
> spiritual or psychic guidance and leadership. This is all internal to
> us, of course. But it worth considering as theosophy presents these
> considerations.
>
> Is being a VEGAN recommended? Are dairy products "forbidden?" etc...
> Consider carefully how the process of milk and eggs, etc are now
> mechanized much to the unnatural distress of the animal involved -- a
> slavery that approaches the greatest indifference to the actual well
> being of those animals that are forced to assist in producing those
> foods -- and when judged to be uneconomical, they are executed ,and
> their meat offered as food on the markets of the world. Quite a
> generous repayment for that slavery, don't you think? Can one imagine
> the imprint of such living and forced death psychically, on the atoms
> and monadic elementals involved in the forms of those foods? And they
> go into us, and there in our bodies, they find a refuge for similar
> psychic influences.
>
> Mr. Judge succinctly offered a common sense solution. He said in one
> place:: What comes out of a man's mouth is more important than what
> goes into it.
>
> Occultly THEOSOPHY says that meats feed the Kamic (desire and passion)
> nature. Are we in "control" of our psychic desires and passions (Kama)?
>
> What is the nature of our "mind?" How do we use and direct it? Who is
> the director of our minds? Is our psychic and moral nature involved? And
> on that basis what would be an ideal diet?
>
> As to our bodies. We all know that very few of us are medical men or
> women, and, we know more or less of the science that works in and
> through the body. Yet with all that detail, our bodies (even those of
> the most ignorant of us) carry on the intricate process of digestion,
> redesigning, and distribution of nutrients through our blood system, the
> elimination of spent or undesirable substances, and all this that passes
> through the alimentary canal is subject to the knowledge and wisdom of
> the bodily operations of which we are largely ignorant.
>
> THEOSOPHY points to the more subtle electro-magnetic "astral body," on
> which the physical body is based molecularly, and cellularly speaking.
> It also speaks of the influence that our feelings and thoughts (motives)
> have on those energic bodies. So we have the glimmerings of a basis for
> controlling that which we place in our mouths as food. It also
> recognizes the innate intelligence operating in a body, when healthy or
> diseased, and respects it.
>
> THEOSOPHY is not dogmatic about anything, leaving to each individual the
> responsibility for assisting or impeding their own bodily states. It
> does indicate that there is much more to the selection of one's diet
> than mere physiological, scientific reasons. These ideas merely open
> some doors for our consideration in how we treat ourselves.
>
> The inner attitude of a person is of prime consideration and that is
> largely based on the aspirations and motives one employs in living one's
> personal life.
>
> The responsibility we have for our bodies is to supply them with the
> best available nourishment, taking all we learn into consideration.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dallas
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Morten
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 2:10 AM
> To:
> Subject: En: vegetarianism
>
> Hallo everyone,
>
> A view:
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> It could be that a hardcore vegetarian Theosophist quite often resembles
> a
> refined barbarian with either no or only a small amount of understanding
> of
> social behaviour. True ?
>
> The readers will have to decide that.
>
> from
> M.
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