Theos-Talk Archives (October 2003 Message tt00044)

Hi all of you,

Interesting.
I sometimes wonder if Blavatsky never used any of the by her given numbers
and years in a more esoterical sense - like using the 7 keys - gemantria -or
Senzar.


from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "W. Dallas TenBreoeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: "AA-BN--Study" <study@blavatsky.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 12:40 PM
Subject: Theos-World RE: Atlantis, Evolution, the S D, DNA, -THIRD-? and
genetic-engineering...


> Oct 4
>
> Dear Steve:
>
> As I understand it, Theosophy gives us a point of view that
> universalizes and impersonalizes much of our questioning, study and
> conclusions if we will only adopt the ideas:
>
> 1 The Universe is totally ALIVE and every being has [primarily an
> indissoluble, and eternal SPIRITUAL SELF -- the MONAD..
>
> 2. Laws, KARMA, rule all relationships, whether physical, astral,
> emotional, mental, or spiritual. We have to be able to distinguish the
> chain of causes (Nidana) between the 7 principles and apply this
> everywhere in our thinking.
>
> 3. Evolution of all forms is cooperative and interactive, it is
> guided by Karma and the Life-Force. The Dhyanis supervise this work. (S
> D I 570-575) The human form is PRIMITIVE ( S D II 87fn, 186-7,
> 256-7, 282fn, 349, 660fn, 665-685, ) and animal and ape-like forms are
> derived from it. All physical forms mark the development of the
> intelligence of the inherent MONAD. The whole of "evolution" is a study
> as well as a history of the evolution of INTELLIGENCE..
>
> Man's present stage shows the dawning of independent, free Mind and the
> whole progress of human evolution marks this work that must end either
> in SPIRITUALIZING or MATERIALIZING the innate intelligence. Theosophy
> is in them world to demonstrate this.
>
>
> [DNA / RNA and all physical or chemical changes and interactions on the
> physical level are PERMITTED or DENIED by the interior ASTRAL BEINGS
> that are concerned there. In this, we recognize the basic interactive
> Monads -- science may call them atoms of molecules) as they rise through
> the multitude of fields of experience that each evolutionary period
> (Manvantara) offers. ]
>
> The individuals evolution (the eternal Monad in some level of conscious
> experience, whether atomic, molecular, formative, human, or that of the
> Mahatma) is guided by cooperative and interactive "class or group" Karma
> always. (There is no dead or inert "matter." Every form is a live
> being consisting of one or many entities, each an immortal Monad. The
> free power to choose come with becoming a human being. For us, this
> mankind, it began some 18 + million of years ago.)
>
> We now, as Monads that are called: human Lower Minds, have been for
> interminable ages through all those early relations, and we have astral
> (and akasic) memories of them all. But it take special training to
> recall those.
>
> Theosophy tells us of this aspect of the action of the KARMIC LIFE-WAVE
> that affects all beings. [On our Earth, to be specific, see S D I
> 241-243.]
>
> Atlantis as a civilization is the history of the same mass of Egos as
> are alive and working today (in the "Aryan" races). Since that time,
> roughly 4 million years ago when Atlantis as a continent began sinking,
> have passed and given the average interval between incarnations as 1,000
> to 1,500 years , we may see that many incarnations have been experienced
> by each of us since that period. The
> S D also says that the passage of the forms from one "Race" to the next
> has a tremendous overlap time, and she show how some of the
> Lemuro-Atlantean, and pure Atlantean forms continue to exist in various
> tribes scattered a round the world even today, although some of the
> oldest are becoming extinct.
>
> The same goes for various species of animals -- species die out when the
> experience for Monads in those forms is no longer necessary. And Karma
> working through the Life-wave brings out new kinds of forms. As for
> instance anitbiotic resisting viruses.
>
> I think you are right about patience, but it ought no be allowed to slip
> into procrastination. We, each one of us, can always do something for
> our fellows. That to me is the spreading of "original Theosophy."
>
> We cannot allow a knowledge of Theosophy stagnate in our minds alone, or
> it becomes personalized and deviant from the original impulse. We have
> to spread it around in just the same "form" as we received it.
>
> Agree that there ought to be no "outside" authorities. But notice that
> there is an "interior" touchstone -- our HIGHER SELF -- ATMA which sees
> and notices all. We might say that IT then causes the BUDDHI to radiate
> to our (Lower Manasic) minds the "Voice Of Conscience, "intuitions,"
> "cautions," and, "admonitions." We ought to take more careful heed of
> those.
>
> Se how this appeals to you,
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dal
>
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stevenl
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:16 PM
> To: dalval14@earthlink.net
> Subject: Re: DNA, -THIRD-? and genetic-engineering...
>
>
> > Dal,
>
>
> These are provocative questions, and not to be too dimissive, however
> interesting these are, they seem nearly as the Buddha might have labeled
> them as "questions which do not lead to edification".
>
>
> The implication might be: the answers to wit may bring nothing to the
> quest of easing suffering in our own or others lives. It is true, that
> if a Genetic Scientist, or one who deals in the Cryogenic treatment of
> tissue, for example, (both doing what they do simply to see what
> happens) were to read such questions, they would probably take one of
> two stances. "It sounds like a lot of mumbo jumbo really.
>
>
> Atlantis you say, get serious". Or, "I have a responsibility to myself
> and my community to find out what I can as long as no one gets hurt."
> They have already hardened their minds to hear such questions along
> ethical lines. How can they react to ethical questions if they see
> ethics as not being scientific? And, as long as they do not connect
> ehtics to "Soul edicate", or even the existance in reality of such a
> thing, what else can they do? I am not letting them off the hook because
> of their ignorance, but "ignorance is bliss". (However not karma free)
>
>
> I think we suffer from a lack of patience. We are impatient with
> the way of our culture and want to see it "wake up". But people wake up
> in their own time. Surely, we need to spread broadcast the teachings,
> but I think that because we have Theosophy, we want to use what we have
> been alerted to regarding our errors as Atlantens. Especially when we
> read "Awake O Atlanteans and right thy wrong", as Mr. Judge puts it, and
> we want to do it now.
>
>
> But, how shall that be done? There is karma to reconcile within
> our own natures that when "righted" may allow for such rectification,
> but not until we are aware of ourselves as multifold beings, based in
> the Monad, rather than in the personal man. And, that means as truly
> aware of that inner nature, as we are now enamoured by our "outer"
> personas.
>
>
> Part of the problem is that the information imparted to us through
> HPB in the Secret Doctrine will only be intellectual baggage for us in
> so much that we need that book to alert us to our duty.
>
>
> In other words, it seems to me, that the Knowledge the Teachers have
> presented us, is not to be memorized or used to judge others, but to
> assist in our own awakening to the true Secret Doctrine in all of us of
> which, as She says, the book is only that which can be given out now.
>
>
> I think if we act otherwise the book shall become nothing other than
> another relic Testament, like the New Testament, or the Old Testament.
> It will become "The Holy Book" we point to as the place of our
> authority, instead of that authority in the Soul of each of us.
>
>
> There will always be dichotomies in our study, and perhaps one of
> the most confusing, is having this knowledge along with an incapacity to
> put it to fruitful work. So, good luck with application of doctrine,
> that is where the work is.-
>
> Steve
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