Theos-Talk Archives (October 2003 Message tt00042)

Oct 4

Dear Steve:

As I understand it, Theosophy gives us a point of view that
universalizes and impersonalizes much of our questioning, study and
conclusions if we will only adopt the ideas:

1	The Universe is totally ALIVE and every being has [primarily an
indissoluble, and eternal SPIRITUAL SELF -- the MONAD..  

2.	Laws, KARMA, rule all relationships, whether physical, astral,
emotional, mental, or spiritual. We have to be able to distinguish the
chain of causes (Nidana) between the 7 principles and apply this
everywhere in our thinking.

3.	Evolution of all forms is cooperative and interactive, it is
guided by Karma and the Life-Force. The Dhyanis supervise this work. (S
D I 570-575) The human form is PRIMITIVE ( S D II 87fn, 186-7,
256-7, 282fn, 349, 660fn, 665-685, ) and animal and ape-like forms are
derived from it. All physical forms mark the development of the
intelligence of the inherent MONAD. The whole of "evolution" is a study
as well as a history of the evolution of INTELLIGENCE..

Man's present stage shows the dawning of independent, free Mind and the
whole progress of human evolution marks this work that must end either
in SPIRITUALIZING or MATERIALIZING the innate intelligence. Theosophy
is in them world to demonstrate this.


[DNA / RNA and all physical or chemical changes and interactions on the
physical level are PERMITTED or DENIED by the interior ASTRAL BEINGS
that are concerned there. In this, we recognize the basic interactive
Monads -- science may call them atoms of molecules) as they rise through
the multitude of fields of experience that each evolutionary period
(Manvantara) offers. ]

The individuals evolution (the eternal Monad in some level of conscious
experience, whether atomic, molecular, formative, human, or that of the
Mahatma) is guided by cooperative and interactive "class or group" Karma
always. (There is no dead or inert "matter." Every form is a live
being consisting of one or many entities, each an immortal Monad. The
free power to choose come with becoming a human being. For us, this
mankind, it began some 18 + million of years ago.)  

We now, as Monads that are called: human Lower Minds, have been for
interminable ages through all those early relations, and we have astral
(and akasic) memories of them all. But it take special training to
recall those.  

Theosophy tells us of this aspect of the action of the KARMIC LIFE-WAVE
that affects all beings. [On our Earth, to be specific, see S D I
241-243.]

Atlantis as a civilization is the history of the same mass of Egos as
are alive and working today (in the "Aryan" races). Since that time,
roughly 4 million years ago when Atlantis as a continent began sinking,
have passed and given the average interval between incarnations as 1,000
to 1,500 years , we may see that many incarnations have been experienced
by each of us since that period. The
S D also says that the passage of the forms from one "Race" to the next
has a tremendous overlap time, and she show how some of the
Lemuro-Atlantean, and pure Atlantean forms continue to exist in various
tribes scattered a round the world even today, although some of the
oldest are becoming extinct. 

The same goes for various species of animals -- species die out when the
experience for Monads in those forms is no longer necessary. And Karma
working through the Life-wave brings out new kinds of forms. As for
instance anitbiotic resisting viruses.

I think you are right about patience, but it ought no be allowed to slip
into procrastination. We, each one of us, can always do something for
our fellows. That to me is the spreading of "original Theosophy." 

We cannot allow a knowledge of Theosophy stagnate in our minds alone, or
it becomes personalized and deviant from the original impulse. We have
to spread it around in just the same "form" as we received it. 

Agree that there ought to be no "outside" authorities. But notice that
there is an "interior" touchstone -- our HIGHER SELF -- ATMA which sees
and notices all. We might say that IT then causes the BUDDHI to radiate
to our (Lower Manasic) minds the "Voice Of Conscience, "intuitions,"
"cautions," and, "admonitions." We ought to take more careful heed of
those.

Se how this appeals to you,

Best wishes,

Dal

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-----Original Message-----
From: stevenl 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:16 PM
To: dalval14@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: DNA, -THIRD-? and genetic-engineering...


> Dal, 


These are provocative questions, and not to be too dimissive, however
interesting these are, they seem nearly as the Buddha might have labeled
them as "questions which do not lead to edification". 


The implication might be: the answers to wit may bring nothing to the
quest of easing suffering in our own or others lives. It is true, that
if a Genetic Scientist, or one who deals in the Cryogenic treatment of
tissue, for example, (both doing what they do simply to see what
happens) were to read such questions, they would probably take one of
two stances. "It sounds like a lot of mumbo jumbo really. 


Atlantis you say, get serious". Or, "I have a responsibility to myself
and my community to find out what I can as long as no one gets hurt."
They have already hardened their minds to hear such questions along
ethical lines. How can they react to ethical questions if they see
ethics as not being scientific? And, as long as they do not connect
ehtics to "Soul edicate", or even the existance in reality of such a
thing, what else can they do? I am not letting them off the hook because
of their ignorance, but "ignorance is bliss". (However not karma free)


I think we suffer from a lack of patience. We are impatient with
the way of our culture and want to see it "wake up". But people wake up
in their own time. Surely, we need to spread broadcast the teachings,
but I think that because we have Theosophy, we want to use what we have
been alerted to regarding our errors as Atlantens. Especially when we
read "Awake O Atlanteans and right thy wrong", as Mr. Judge puts it, and
we want to do it now. 


But, how shall that be done? There is karma to reconcile within
our own natures that when "righted" may allow for such rectification,
but not until we are aware of ourselves as multifold beings, based in
the Monad, rather than in the personal man. And, that means as truly
aware of that inner nature, as we are now enamoured by our "outer"
personas. 


Part of the problem is that the information imparted to us through
HPB in the Secret Doctrine will only be intellectual baggage for us in
so much that we need that book to alert us to our duty. 


In other words, it seems to me, that the Knowledge the Teachers have
presented us, is not to be memorized or used to judge others, but to
assist in our own awakening to the true Secret Doctrine in all of us of
which, as She says, the book is only that which can be given out now. 


I think if we act otherwise the book shall become nothing other than
another relic Testament, like the New Testament, or the Old Testament.
It will become "The Holy Book" we point to as the place of our
authority, instead of that authority in the Soul of each of us.


There will always be dichotomies in our study, and perhaps one of
the most confusing, is having this knowledge along with an incapacity to
put it to fruitful work. So, good luck with application of doctrine,
that is where the work is.-

Steve