Theos-Talk Archives (June 2003 Message tt00240)

Hi Bart and all of you,

Thanks for answering.

My views are:

I have to say Bart, that you do not make my work here easiere. The manner in
which you are
presenting the material makes it difficult to answer. Look in the below
answers.

1.
Bart wrote:
"The following will almost only interest the more earnest students of
> Theosophy."
That doesn't sound the least bit haughty or pretentious to you?
> Continuing...

The quote must be taken from one of these emails:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/12272 (part 1)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/12275 (part 2)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/12276 (part 3)

My Sufilight answer and views:
No ! You can ASSUME that I have some haughty or pretentious motives. But is
this
a theosophical behavior to CLAIM, that I have such motives?
Is it Bart ? (Please answer.)
The reader could ask it self wheather it knows if I have such motives or not
?
If the reader HONESTLY do not know that, what is the conclusion then ?
We cannot always satisfy all readers.


2.
Bart wrote:
"The TRUTH is, that - Scholarship a such - very often is a 'spiritual
> crime', when viewed with the eyes of the Master."
>
> Emphasis yours.

My Sufilight answer and views:
This quote must be taken from:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/11959 (May 10th 2003)

Yes - and what is wrong with this sentence ? You do'nt tell me that in your
email
in the below.
If you, Bart - are referring to you remark in 1. in the above - you will get
the same
answer as in 1. in the above.
The quote made by Bart in the above was actually an answer to a question
from
Dallas here at Theos-Talk:
---"
Dallas wrote:
"Scholarship" is not a crime,"

My answer:
Well you should just try to put that one forward to your own master.
I bet, that kind of teaching will not be approved of without some kind of
hesitation.
Even HPB would shake her pretty head on that one.
The TRUTH is, that - Scholarship a such - very often is a 'spiritual crime',
when viewed with
the eyes of the Master.
"----

If Theosophy in general supports scholars, then I have to say, that I
disagree with
Theosophy.


3.
Bart wrote:
"TRUE Theosophists have to get more real than that. Please, get real."
>
> Emphasis yours, implying that if the person you were responding to acts
> in a way with which you disagree, then they are not a "TRUE Theosophist"

My Sufilight answer and views:
The quote must be taken from:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/12140 (dated May 31th 2003)
The sentences before the one Bart has quoted in the above was even about
ALTRUISM.

Bart, one aught not to generalize like you do in the above, that is not
showing honesty.
I could very easily be implying something else could'nt I ?
If a person really honestly can get more real (more spiritual or
theosophical) - then that
person certainly can get more close to becoming a true Theosophist - do'nt
you think ?
(I would suggest some of the readers to be carefull about generalizing about
the term
"true theosophist", because it can have more than one meaning, depending on
what is
written.)



4.
Bart wrote:
"The true Theosophists, as the published record over centuries shows,
> have worked against the mechanicality of conditioning, but have until
> recently lacked appropriate conditions under which to insist that this
> factor be taken into consideration."
>
> "The true Theosophists contention is that, traditionally, there was a
> clear-cut method, widely if not universally applied by 'those who know'."

My Sufilight answer and views:
The two quotes must be taken from
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/12275 and
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/12276
If, and only if - the comments from Bart in the above also according to
Bart
deserves the same remarks as the ones made by him in 3 - then I have the
following answer:

I could very easily be implying something else could'nt I ?
But one cannot say, that they then for sure ar'nt true Theosophists if they
disagree
with the above. And I hav'nt said anything which goes against that.
(I would suggest some of the readers to be carefull about generalizing about
the
term "true theosophist", because it can have more than one meaning,
depending on
what is written.)

I could suggest to you Bart and to the readers, that you shifted your focus
from the
person (ie. Morten Sufilight) to the texts, because that at least could be
much more
healthy for you the readers - while dealing with this issue.


5.
Bart wrote:
"In addition, there is taking statements, attributing them to the
Mahatmas, then showing puzzlement as to whether or not your attribution
is true is relevant."

My Sufilight answer and views:
This is a new one, at least to me. What statements have I attributed to the
Mahatmas ?
Please answer this question:
How do you help anyone by doing claims like that, without backing them with
arguments ?
If you do not answer this question - I will have to deeply question wheather
your
motives are honest and decent. Do you understand why ? Does the readers
understand why ?


Bart, - why do'nt you teach us all instead of this hunt for the needle in
the haystak ?
What kind of altruism are you supporting ?
How do you learn others to learn ?


from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...





from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bart Lidofsky" <bartl@sprynet.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Recruitment and education...


> Morten Nymann Olesen wrote:
> > My views are views and notthing more than that:
>
> Well, other than calling yourself "Sufilight", here are a few select
quotes:
>
> "The following will almost only interest the more earnest students of
> Theosophy."
>
> That doesn't sound the least bit haughty or pretentious to you?
> Continuing...
>
> "The TRUTH is, that - Scholarship a such - very often is a 'spiritual
> crime', when viewed with the eyes of the Master."
>
> Emphasis yours.
>
> "TRUE Theosophists have to get more real than that. Please, get real."
>
> Emphasis yours, implying that if the person you were responding to acts
> in a way with which you disagree, then they are not a "TRUE Theosophist"
>
> "The true Theosophists, as the published record over centuries shows,
> have worked against the mechanicality of conditioning, but have until
> recently lacked appropriate conditions under which to insist that this
> factor be taken into consideration."
>
> "The true Theosophists contention is that, traditionally, there was a
> clear-cut method, widely if not universally applied by 'those who know'."
>
> In addition, there is taking statements, attributing them to the
> Mahatmas, then showing puzzlement as to whether or not your attribution
> is true is relevant.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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