Theos-Talk Archives (June 2003 Message tt00218)

Hi Katinka and all of you,

My views in the below.

Katinka wrote:
"You talk a lot about true theosophists - your version of them doesn't
seem quite human."

My Sufilight answer:
And why does'nt it - seem - so?
And where does your word - "seem" - lead you?
It leads to assumptions, and that is just not Knowledge.
It is better to state that, - to some people - my version of "true
Theosophy" - makes them
embarrassingly aware of some of their own faults OR makes them ignore me.
And others
think that the words are allright...or something else. People are different.

Katinka wrote:
"If a mahatma writes about their
own work that it should not be studied, that is quite a different
matter than somebody else saying: this shouldn't be studied. "

My Sufilight answer:
I have one question: Who said, that the Mahatma Letters at all cost
should'nt be studied ?
I did certainly NOT. So why did you reach such a conclusion? I answered your
question from an earliere email about something quite different.
But if - as a fact and not as a belief - 80% of the readers here at
Theos-Talk would waste their time reading all of the Mahatma Letters - then
one aught to rethink encouraging them to do so ! Even so if you - your self
(or anybody else) think that they are - just so extremly good - and written
with high leveled Wisdom.
I encourage people to think on various levels. I am against encouraging
people to have a fanatical attitude when looking at the Mahatma Letters or
talking about them. Who knows which one of them is false ?
And maybe one or more of them are ! Well maybe...
And maybe one or more are true ! Well maybe...
But will it help anyone to claim that - xx - of them are allright and - yy -
are bad.
I do'nt think so, that is - unless you want to encourage fanatical
behaviour.
It is allright, that some want others to respect teachers - in a balanced
manner. But stupidity should'nt be encouraged. But this is just my view -
remember.


Katinka wrote:
"I think
it is far more reasonable to say: study and find out for yourself. "

My Sufilight answer:
"Yes exactly. But one could consider, what I have suggested in my previous
emails on this matter. That would'nt hurt anyone interested - except those
who cling to dead-letter Theosophy or who think that Belief is the same as
Knowledge (or even Wisdom) and a few others here at Theos-Talk.
With other words - think about HOW you study. Do not fool your small
ignorant selves
into thinking that the Mahatma Letters actually serves EVERYONE anything
good, - because that will most certainly be a Theosophical lie.
Important is, that Time and place for reading, - and the same on
sorroundings, people, teacher(s) and pupil(s), - should rather be in
harmony - than not.
If you aught to help a friend of yours which you know are in need, - you
do'nt start
of by reading the Mahatma Letters if that goes against this most highest
priority of helping
your friend. Everything in due time - and even sometimes NEVER."



And I can only hope that this helped the readers.
Feel free to comment or do your best...

from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Katinka Hesselink" <mail@katinkahesselink.net>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 9:09 AM
Subject: Theos-World Re: Mahatma letters and human development


> Hi,
>
> You talk a lot about true theosophists - your version of them doesn't
> seem quite human.
>
> Of course it matters who writes what. If a mahatma writes about their
> own work that it should not be studied, that is quite a different
> matter than somebody else saying: this shouldn't be studied.
I think
> it is far more reasonable to say: study and find out for yourself.
>
> Katinka
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> theosophy@a...> wrote:
> > Hi Katinka and all of you,
> >
> > My views:
> >
> > Why do you ask ?
> > I think your question is unimportant.
> > If it is a Mahatma Letter, so what ?
> > If it is'nt a Mahatma Letter - who cares ?
> > It is what the text says and the impression the readers get, which
> at least
> > has importance.
> > Please let me know if I am wrong.
> >
> > Some of the readers might get embarrassed because they thought
> differently.
> > But true Theosophists do not get embarrassed do they ?
> >
> > from
> > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Katinka Hesselink" <mail@k...>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 10:02 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World Re: Mahatma letters and human development
> >
> >
> > > Are you suggesting the below is from a mahatma letter?
> > >
> > > Katinka
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> > > theosophy@a...> wrote:
> > > > ***The Theosophical Mahatma Letters and human development***
> > > >
> > > > Q: How long does the process of human development actually
> take ?
> > > >
> > > > A: As long as it takes the teacher, the individuals and the
> groups
> > > > to be in the right harmony. In your terms, this might be ten
> > > > minutes or ten years - or more or less.
> > > >
> > > > Q: It is said that only one in a thousand can make the grade or
> > > inititation.
> > > >
> > > > A: Is it ?
> > > >
> > > > Q: Is this correct ?
> > > >
> > > > A: It is not correct for us and those in our situation. I am not
> > > > responsible for what other have said at other times, in other
> > > > places and situations. If you want to lump together what variuos
> > > > people have said to you or other people and use the result, you
> > > > are an anthologist or synthesist, not a Theosophical or
> spiritual
> > > Seeker
> > > > in the sense in which we use the term.
> > > >
> > > > Q: But I have never heard of such an idea. Surely the teachings
> of
> > > the great
> > > > ones who have come before us still are valid?
> > > >
> > > > A: They are still valid as they ever were, given the SAME
> > > > conditions and students. How they are to be understood and
> > > > made use of depends entirely upon the right experience and
> > > > ability of those who are trying to make use of them. The
> > > > malencholy fact is that the conditions and seekers hava changed.
> > > > The curriculum is correspondingly inappropriate.
> > > > Fanatical Theosophist cannot understand this - and continue to
> > > > cling to the teaching of dead letter Theosophy.
> > > >
> > > > To for instance have the stance that the Theosophical Mahatma
> > > Letters
> > > > can be use at any time under any circumstances - will be proved
> to
> > > be
> > > > wrong. This must be a clear and quite logical fact.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > from
> > > > M. Sufilight with peace and love... and some of Kidhr's
> friends...
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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