Theos-Talk Archives (June 2003 Message tt00184)

Hi Katinka and all of you,

Thanks for you email.
I here present my views on the issue in the following:

As for the "clear-cut" method - it has already been described in the email
referred to by you.
So what more is there to tell ?

Here it is again (taken out of the mentioned email)

"The true Theosophists contention is that, traditionally, there was a
clear-cut
method, widely if not universally applied by 'those who know'.
This involved (1) indoctrination of the people (or some of them)
to remove superseded ideas which had begun to operate as
blinkers; (2) removal of the indoctrination to restore flexibility
of viewpoint and consequent enlightenment; and then (3)
application of stimuli to help make this enlightenment effective in the
ordinary world."

This is the method pure and simple. How it has and is formulating it self
during time is easy
to see if one follows in on what is going on in the world today.
If some of you think this method isn't spiritual and theosophical, - well so
what.
Then you will have to explain why it is not so - will you not ?
If you need a name on a writer to do that, one can only wonder why ?
So why is a name necessary ? To scholars it is necessary - yes I know that.
But does Theosophists need it ?

If I gave you a name on the writer behind the text, what good would it do
you and others on this list ?
I could have reasons to keep the writers name out of this.
Please answer that first.

I am in no need to be taken seriously by scholars. But I thought I could
expect Theosophists to think
before the write emails clinging to support of scholary ideas.

What is evidence to a Theosophist ?
What is evidence to a scholar ?

You talk about the method in the above as if this is the only one. This is
at best
a narrowminded view. You could rethink your views. The email did NOT say
that this was the ONLY method - only that: "The true Theosophists contention
is that, traditionally, there was a clear-cut method, widely if not
universally applied by 'those who know'."
(Ie. widely if not universally). You can't jump to your own conclusion from
that sentence.
That is my view, but maybe I didn't understand you at all.

The method as such should be viewed as taking place through centuries of
different kinds of incarnations, that is where the universal issue comes
forward to the mind of the reader.
You see we all reincarnate, well if your friend Krishnamurti hasn't given
another method,
then I think we can agree.
When you were a little astral oriented human in the olden days -
indoctrination towards you
took place - believe it or not. Have you ever seen a dog being taught by a
human somewhere through the ages ?
Well this is the view which is being offered.

But I have to say - thanks to you for asking these questions - so others
could get an answer on them.

The next email will possibly contain a little story. Let it be seen if
that can't help on this scholary need for "name-seeking".


from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Katinka Hesselink" <mail@katinkahesselink.net>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Conditioning and other artificial arts...part 3 of
3


> Hi Morten,
>
> First you write that something is THE true theosophists contention...
> and even TRADITIONALLY there was a clear-cut method. Which rather
> makes you claim something extraordinary. Now Blavatsky tried to
> support her (for her time) rather extraordinary claims with quotes
> from every place she could find. How about you? Why should we take
> seriously what you say? How can you support what you say with some
> sort of evidence? And while we are at it... You claim there was a
> clear-cut method. This raises our expectations obviously. If you
> haven't just thought the below up, you must know that method. Can we
> hear it? It might make us able to judge whether or not you are right
> in your other contentions. (though personally I firmly believe that
> with every person there is a different path. This was written in The
> Voice of the Silence and Krishnamurti says just about the same thing
> in saying time and time again that no single method will lead to the
> truth.)
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> Katinka
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> > > : :"The true Theosophists contention is that, traditionally,
> > > there was a clear-cut
> > > method, widely if not universally applied by 'those who know'."
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