Theos-Talk Archives (May 2003 Message tt00290)

Hi Dallas and all of you,

My views:
Thanks for your kind and well put answer.

BUT - according to me, - The wise adepts of wisdom sort of "elects"
Kings, Popes, Presidents and political leaders - chairmen and chairwoman as
well - even if they themselves are not aware of it.
This can be done by stimulating certain energies at the right time and place
under given
circumstances. Sometimes, they don't interfer and sometimes they do. And
always with the heart of compassion.
So clever is the wise, that it is no match for the less developed mind and
intellect to understand - the law of Karma and the Free-will issues
involved.

My knowledge is:
Before we incarnate - there has been laid a time-space plan so to speak for
what we are going to experience. This plan is in a quite special manner
moving through time - and therefore sort of 'changes' while we incarnate.
One could say, that our free-will are as high as our combined level of
consciousness and compassion.
And yet in fact it is all there - for everyone to see, exactly what the
future brings -
if they have the heart of compassion to do that.
The word "development" is a term, which fits the lower or even higher mental
mind, depending on the readers view. On the highest levels of
consciousness - the term "development" is not the issue of importance. The
term "development" has then been transcended. That is what I know.

My view:
"Lucifer" is in this case the one who tempts the seeker to promote war !
Lucifer is also 'something' else.

How does Theosophy as a Organisation create peace by continuing with
Business as usual - day after day ?
I just don't get it.
Something has to happen. Something has to happen with the Bailey groups
and their dangerous almost Jesuitic manners.

HPB would certainly have reacted to such a newsletter as the one in mention:
http://www.lucistrust.org/goodwill/nl/2003/2/index.shtml
(Lucis Trust - Newslettter no. 2, year 2003)

Maybe this could spark something:
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/hpb-am/hpb-am1.htm
("Letter to the Second Annual Convention 22-23. april 1888" by HPB).

Quoting the fitting words above:
"It must be remembered that the Society was not founded as a nursery for
forcing a supply of Occultists -- as a factory for the manufactory of
Adepts. It was intended to stem the current of materialism, and also that of
spiritualistic phenomenalism and the worship of the Dead. It had to guide
the spiritual awakening that has now begun, and not to pander to psychic
cravings which are but another form of materialism. For by "materialism" is
meant not only an anti-philosophical negation of pure spirit, and, even
more, materialism in conduct and action -- brutality, hypocrisy, and, above
all, selfishness -- but also the fruits of a disbelief in all but material
things, a disbelief which has increased enormously during the last century,
and which has led many, after a denial of all existence other than that in
matter, into a blind belief in the materialization of Spirit. "

And today we have the Tarot Cards, the crystal gazings, the
14-days-get-clairvoyant-exercises, and clairvoyant-sceances etc...
And the Journalists and the public ? - They love it !
(I.e. "Do'nt think", "Relax - enjoy - we will do the thinking for you". And
the politicians always talking about war - make it important).
Theosophy ? Well, the journalists have never heard of it. And often they
find the issue boring. You see: Journalists does'nt seem to like spiritual
moral !

But HPB knew how to provoke people - and get their attention.
Theosophists of today ? Do they know how to do that ? No !
The most of them look like the Sad Faced United, - always at the bottom not
getting any points. They should instead laern something about giving to
others what they need - something about how to promote Theosophy.
What happens today ? The Theosophical leaders - says: Let us promote
Theosophy.
And then they do --- eeehm NOTHING !
Allright: They promote some few phamplets - and very discrete place them
togehter with the hundred others from other organiztions !!!
Maybe they are often to few - and can't agree upon anything - not even the
phamplets. So nothing happens.
You will have to agree, - That is NOT promotion !

If seven men and women at a meeting about, what to do about the sinking
ship -
can't find a solution - then they are stupid. S - T - U - P - I - D.
And if they hav'nt seen, that the ship is sinking - they are ignorant.

And just like other past organizations it will wanish. And another word more
fitting
will be used by the masters of wisdom.
Ignorants are not fit as leaders of A true Theosophical Society.


from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: "AA-BN--Study" <study@blavatsky.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 10:00 PM
Subject: RE: Theos-World Lucifers latest trick...?


> Saturday, May 31, 2003
>
>
> Dear Etvion and friends:
>
> In studying the principles and practice of Theosophy I have
> found:
>
> Look on such things as the implacable operation of Karma.
>
> The "spiritual people" will always continue to act with
> impersonality and compassion -- trying always, to be brotherly,
> honest and caring for all.
>
> They will always look on the politics, nationalities and
> religions of those who surround them as temporary things which
> pass and change from incarnation to incarnation -- so in reality
> they have no special SPIRITUAL value, but only serve to retard
> and distort our view of the present.
>
> Spiritual values are the great VIRTUES, and these are found to be
> the same in all religions and at the root of all the law statutes
> of every Nation, for all time. They have nothing of the selfish,
> personal element in them. Tolerance, impersonality, generosity
> and wisdom mark the activities of those who try to practice true
> "spirituality."
>
> Those persons who are involved in a catastrophe, personal or
> otherwise, did something to attract that adverse Karma ( which,
> by the way, is always a learning opportunity, or a chance to
> redress and expiate some previous debt due to persons whom they
> had made victims in earlier lives.).
>
> The one who has spiritual knowledge will always advance the fact
> that selfishness and infringing the rights of others bring the
> same kind of pain as was inflicted, back to the individual who
> inflicted it. It is not chance or luck, but the whole of Nature
> moves only within LAW.
>
> It is Man, who has free will that makes evil things happen
> according to his choices. He has also the knowledge of the
> "good." This is whispered to him by his "Voice of Conscience,"
> every time he proposes to do evil. But, only those who listen
> are wise men, or women, indeed.
>
> No prayer or petition can turn aside the penalties due and
> certainly the VICTIMS ALSO DESERVE RECOMPENSE. This is one of
> the ways in which this is done.
> As we become wiser we learn to practice brotherhood all the time
> and avoid inflicting any pain on anyone.
>
> I am not sure what you mean by "Lucifer."
>
> Lucifer was the LIGHT BRINGER, the highest of the Archangels.
> Not the "devil" which the Church depicts. They altered his
> reputation and image in a wrongful way. Mercury is "closest to
> the Sun" of TRUTH undying.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dallas.
>
> ============================
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: etvio
> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 5:57 AM
> To:
> Subject: RE: Lucifers latest trick...?
>
>
> My personal take of this sad phenomenon of war, is that it
> indicates a
> failure on the part of the spiritual people to wield their
> spiritual
> responsibilities properly.
>
> There is only one way to remedy this illness of
> war: That we will take spiritual responsibility, and will inspire
> other to
> do the same.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Etzion
>
> CUT
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