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Re: Theos-World Jimmy Carter Speaks Out

Mar 15, 2003 00:20 AM
by leonmaurer


Thank you Etzion for your thoughtful clarifications and insights. It's 
important for people to understand the true basis of the Hebrew religion. 
Best wishes, Leon 

In a message dated 03/14/03 12:36:04 PM, etvionbb@netvision.net.il writes:

>This is not exactly the case, it is much more complicated than what we can
>comprehend. We have the book of Moses, which is part of the Pentateuch.
>These first five books are the Torah. Later on we have an historical
>documentation of the life of the Children of Israel in Eretz Israel (land of
>Israel, or Cana'an), and the teachings and the revelations of the prophets.
>Till the destruction of the First Temple; the Hebrew Bible ends when the
>remnants of the tribes of Israel came back from Babylon, and started to
>rebuild their country again. Since most of these people came from the tribe
>of Judah, which was the strongest, the expression *Jew*, or Yehudy started
>to be used. A Yehudy is a descendant of the tribe of Judah. It is wrong to
>call the people who study the law of Moses as *Jews*. But this is another
>story. The Talmud is the body of discussions between the scholars concerning
>the law of Moses, which can be interpreted in many, many ways. The time
>frame was about 200-300 years before Christ and 100-200 years after Christ.
>It is something like the ways Budhists *argue* between themselves. This is
>actually a book of law. The students read a passage from the book of Moses,
>and then they would go and argue about its meaning, and this could go on
>forever. These discussions formed the Talmud. So, all kinds of people
>expressed their opinions, not always to the taste of others. Sometimes
>a real rift was caused, when a dominant scholar decided that his
>interpretation is the truth, and due to his greatness, they would follow his
>decisions. For example, one scholar decided that eating chicken with milk
>is o.k. to the dismay of his fellow scholars, but they kept his decision till
>he died, and then they cancelled it. Etc, etc. The quotes on that Moslem
>site might be true, but it cannot be understood per se.
>The problem with paganizm and ritual sacrifices, is, to my view, as I said
>before, the worship of the low, physical man, something that most of us
>are addicted to as well ;-). The prophets, and later on the scholars, tried
>to separate their flock from all those abominable hostile nations , which
>surrounded Israel - Rome, Greece, Babylon, Egypt, etc. Just imagine how
>these people managed to survive at all.
>What I am trying to convey here is that we have to be careful. See how the
>people here express all kinds of *opinions* without knowledge, reading
>a little bit here and there, and call themselves *spiritual people*. Have
>some respect, be careful; looking at the faults of others is naming one's
>faults - we all participated with all these past attempts to heal humankind.
>. The Dalai Lama said that his people wouldn't be able to cope with what the
>Jewish people managed to, and I don't see yet Theosophists being staked
>while they wrap themselves with the holy scrolls of The Secret Doctrine, as
>my ancestors did not once, when the good Christians of Europe used to do
>often. Good luck to you all. Etzion
>
>From: <leonmaurer@aol.com>
>
>>
>> In a message dated 03/12/03 6:51:31 PM, stevestubbs@yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, leonmaurer@a... wrote:
>> >> They aren't. Those quotes are entirely apocryphal -- since,
>> >according to my
>> >> Kabbalistic authority (Notes from my father's and grandfather's
>> >occult
>> >> library) those English texts claiming to be translated from the
>> >Mishnah and
>> >> the Gemara are as valid as the Protocols of Zion.
>> >
>> >In that case many thanks for setting the record straight. Just to
>> >complete the record, do you have any information where these quotes
>> >did come from?
>>
>> No real idea. However, as Etzion pointed out there were ancient Hebrew
>> tribes who practiced idolatry and ritual sacrifice, that were tossed out
>> after Moses laid down the religious laws and practices, which were 
originally
>> oral teachings, but later written down by rabbinical scholars as the 
Talmud.
>>
>> Some of these outlawed tribes might have also written down their ritual
>> practices that would have no relationship to the Mishna and Gemora Talmud
>> of modern orthodox Judaism. Also, there were many false quotes, similar to
>> the Protocols, that were forged, possibly from these non rabbinical 
apocryphal
>> writings, by European anti-Semites for propaganda purposes to justify
>> pogroms as well as the Nazi persecutions and atrocities against the Jews.
>>
>> Also, it should be noted that for the majority of world Jewry, the Talmud
>> is not a fixed body of law, and has always been subject to interpretation,
>> revision, and change. Like most religions, the modern Jews have many 
degrees
>> of conformance with scripture ranging from the small minority of extreme
>> orthodox to the relatively large majority of conservative, reformed and
>> secular Jews.
>>
>> LHM


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