Theos-Talk Archives (March 2003 Message tt00326)

This is not exactly the case, it is much more complicated than what we can
comprehend. We have the book of Moses, which is part of the Pentateuch.
These first five books are the Torah. Later on we have an historical
documentation of the life of the Children of Israel in Eretz Israel (land of
Israel, or Cana'an), and the teachings and the revelations of the prophets.
Till the destruction of the First Temple; the Hebrew Bible ends when the
remnants of the tribes of Israel came back from Babylon, and started to
rebuild their country again. Since most of these people came from the tribe
of Judah, which was the strongest, the expression *Jew*, or Yehudy started
to be used. A Yehudy is a descendant of the tribe of Judah. It is wrong to
call the people who study the law of Moses as *Jews*. But this is another
story. The Talmud is the body of discussions between the scholars concerning
the law of Moses, which can be interpreted in many, many ways. The time
frame was about 200-300 years before Christ and 100-200 years after Christ.
It is something like the ways Budhists *argue* between themselves. This is
actually a book of law. The students read a passage from the book of Moses,
and then they would go and argue about its meaning, and this could go on
forever. These discussions formed the Talmud. So, all kinds of people
expressed their opinions, not always to the taste of others. Sometimes a
real rift was caused, when a dominant scholar decided that his
interpretation is the truth, and due to his greatness, they would follow his
decisions. For example, one scholar decided that eating chicken with milk is
o.k. to the dismay of his fellow scholars, but they kept his decision till
he died, and then they cancelled it. Etc, etc. The quotes on that Moslem
site might be true, but it cannot be understood per se.
The problem with paganizm and ritual sacrifices, is, to my view, as I said
before, the worship of the low, physical man, something that most of us are
addicted to as well ;-). The prophets, and later on the scholars, tried to
separate their flock from all those abominable hostile nations , which
surrounded Israel - Rome, Greece, Babylon, Egypt, etc. Just imagine how
these people managed to survive at all.
What I am trying to convey here is that we have to be careful. See how the
people here express all kinds of *opinions* without knowledge, reading a
little bit here and there, and call themselves *spiritual people*. Have some
respect, be careful; looking at the faults of others is naming one's
faults - we all participated with all these past attempts to heal humankind.
. The Dalai Lama said that his people wouldn't be able to cope with what the
Jewish people managed to, and I don't see yet Theosophists being staked
while they wrap themselves with the holy scrolls of The Secret Doctrine, as
my ancestors did not once, when the good Christians of Europe used to do
often. Good luck to you all. Etzion


From: <leonmaurer@aol.com>


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> In a message dated 03/12/03 6:51:31 PM, stevestubbs@yahoo.com writes:
>
> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, leonmaurer@a... wrote:
> >> They aren't. Those quotes are entirely apocryphal -- since,
> >according to my
> >> Kabbalistic authority (Notes from my father's and grandfather's
> >occult
> >> library) those English texts claiming to be translated from the
> >Mishnah and
> >> the Gemara are as valid as the Protocols of Zion.
> >
> >In that case many thanks for setting the record straight. Just to
> >complete the record, do you have any information where these quotes
> >did come from?
>
> No real idea. However, as Etzion pointed out there were ancient Hebrew
> tribes who practiced idolatry and ritual sacrifice, that were tossed out
> after Moses laid down the religious laws and practices, which were
originally
> oral teachings, but later written down by rabbinical scholars as the
Talmud.
>
> Some of these outlawed tribes might have also written down their ritual
> practices that would have no relationship to the Mishna and Gemora Talmud
of
> modern orthodox Judaism. Also, there were many false quotes, similar to
the
> Protocols, that were forged, possibly from these non rabbinical apocryphal
> writings, by European anti-Semites for propaganda purposes to justify
pogroms
> as well as the Nazi persecutions and atrocities against the Jews.
>
> Also, it should be noted that for the majority of world Jewry, the Talmud
is
> not a fixed body of law, and has always been subject to interpretation,
> revision, and change. Like most religions, the modern Jews have many
degrees
> of conformance with scripture ranging from the small minority of extreme
> orthodox to the relatively large majority of conservative, reformed and
> secular Jews.
>
> LHM
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