Theos-Talk Archives (March 2003 Message tt00336)

Leon wrote: << ... you might as well go on 
speculating... And take whatever I say "in a 
sense"-- which, I assume, means you got it -- 
somewhat. But, nevertheless, it appears, you don't 
think you can tell us what it is you exactly got... 
Maybe. However... But, but... What more can I say? 
<\^:~]> >>>

Leon, in reply to that I have (speculatively, of 
course!):

Leon wrote: <<... a total awareness of fundamental, 
unconditioned reality and its scientific and 
metaphysical relationship to conditioned reality.>>

Leon, I don't really know what you mean by 
"unconditioned reality," but seems to me that it's 
NOT 
particularly logical to suggest that "unconditioned 
reality" in the sense of noumenality or "higher reality" 
(that's substantially "LESS conditioned," to say the 
least, then what we typically have on this plane?) 
might have a "scientific and metaphysical 
relationship 
to conditioned reality"? Is it that you're trying to 
scientize unconditioned reality (whatever you might 
mean by those terms)? 

Seems to me that "unconditioned reality" is beyond 
the Abyss that separates conditioned and 
unconditioned, exoteric and esoteric, dependent 
arisings and experiential/noumenal, and so, as I tend 
to see it, that kind of "unconditioned reality" (at 
least) 
seems to me to be essentially beyond all of our 
manasic attempts to scientize about it. Not that some 
models about ... whatever, aren't useful and helpful, 
(obviously enough?), but/"but" ... I thought some 
Theosophists had some thoughts about transcending 
karma, so ... ^:-) ...

Speculatively,
Mauri

PS ... uh, sorry about scratching my head so often,
but/"but"...